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June 21, 2009, 11:57 AM
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Curzalok 85 Undead Warlock Cho'gall US PvP Guild: Chain Reaction Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Affliction |
Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2
At first I was a bit foul with the idea, but after some thought I realized it's no big deal. The gear is easily replaced buy Ulduar drops you can get from just the first 4-5 bosses. Nubs can already pug Vault and get conquest and valorous items they didn't put much time into getting. Anyone can get dragged through a 25 man Naxx in their clown costumes at this point. If someone levels their 80 and spends a week running heroics to get badge gear and some 200 purples in order to get a spot in an ulduar raid, who cares? You really think he'll be healing as well or tanking as well or dps'ing as well as someone in gear they "worked" for, even if it's similar in item level? No. I already see plenty of people who are geared out who can't play worth a darn, so not much will change. And who here hasn't levelled a character to 70 or 80, had their friends drag them through instances all the way, got pulled through Kara for some T4 to "gear them up" for raiding? Guild or friend gearing you up in a week or two is bad but Blizz making you run 30 heroics for a few of mediocre pieces of 213-219 gear is terrible? Nah. And as has been said, the most hard-core will still always have the best gear and perform the best anyway. And there is new content and gear! 
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June 21, 2009, 12:28 PM
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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2
there's a 5man coming in 3.2 whether it will be the new mgt is another matter. honestly nothing is stopping you from 5manning older content. just for kicks we tried to do naxx10 with as little people as possible and atm we're sitting at 7 members. push comes to shove we can prob do 5... we basically 7manned the first 4 bosses in ulduar10 too. as i said and cursalock as well as others, gear != skill. this isn't The Burning Crusade where you just mash one button ( unless you're a frost mage but hey they suck atm =p). who cares who they are wearing t8 or equal gear, unless they have the skills to match it's not going to get them far I never got into fishing Zy, but i have 3 max level fishing toons... I did it out of necessity since all of them are healers and coudn't dps to save their life ( pre 3.1 and dual spec rofl ). |
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June 21, 2009, 05:44 PM
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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2
Well, tbh i dont really see the problem with this yes its easier to get gear, but i think most people are forgetting the main issue. If person is a shit player it doesnt matter what gear he/she is in they will still be crap. Warlocks exemplify this fact massivly, perhaps some other classes will get away with letting there gear do most of the work and not there skill (ret springs to mind lol). But tbh its only gonna make pugging and finding groups easier in the long run since people will actually want to get badges for a change. If you sweat blood and tears to get your t8.5 all well and good take solase in the fact that you did it the hard way and no doubt the guy who got it through badges will be below you on the meters anyway, if not fair play to them. |
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June 21, 2009, 06:54 PM
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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2
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In any case, there are only two pieces of T8 badge gear regardless, and the drop rate on emalon isn't exactly amazing for the other two. I really like the idea of being able to level an alt up to 80 and at least be playable in the raid I am currently having some fun with anyway to tell you the truth. And it isn't like it's zero work to get the gear. How much work anyway is it if you're an alt who just turned 80 and you are run by your guild through Naxx25 as an 'extra' picking up all the loot that isn't needed anymore. That's not 'fair' either and yet most players do not have the luxury of a guild being able to get them through naxx25 in a matter of a couple hours. |
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June 21, 2009, 11:12 PM
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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2
The more interesting problem is that people seem to think that gear is the only reason to play. If I can only run heroics, and I get raid gear from it, after that I should stop playing? lol With the amount of people that play, and a great many seem really into achievements, how about grinding all the quests for loremaster? or some other thing.. or maybe just run some lowbie dungeons for.. oh I don't know.. FUN!? If I get my Warlock in the best gear in the game, I will still play and run dailies and do all that stuff. Gear is a plus.. sure I want upgrades, but once I get them doesn't mean my life (in game) is over. The people that seem bothered with this are the people that seem to think gear is the only reason to play. IMHO thats just not an accurate portrayal of the masses. Do we go where the gear is? Sure. Is that THE reason we play? I certainly hope not. |
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June 22, 2009, 01:23 AM
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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2
They should definatly remove all tier gear from the badge vendors and amp up 5 mans to around the same difficulty of pre Wrath of the Lich King....most people were happy with the badge of justice system....5 mans in The Burning Crusade were not all that easy(H shattered halls and H MGT were not that easy) and raid bosses gave more badges and you still had to raid to get your tier gear. Right now i always feel that my tier gear isnt always that great now and really should be BiS in most cases. Also i usualy do not agree with any "casual" players PoV but i have to agree with the fact that someone might have plenty of time to play but just cannot seem to get into raids especially the new 25 mans and maybe some one who has grinded dungeons everyday for 3 weeks could possably desreve some recognition for this....but i do not agree with the change blizzard r planning. To me a better change would be a trade up for emblems...10 heroism = 1 valor...10 valor = 1 conquest ..10 conquest = 1 triumph This way the heroism and valor items do not become useless and pointless... |
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June 22, 2009, 02:19 AM
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Mithgaar 80 Blood Elf Warlock Khaz'Goroth Oceania PvE Guild: Conviction Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2
I'll admit it. I'm a gear whore. Is it the main reason I play? no but honestly its not far off it. But this thread really has gotten a bit downhill. I see the situations from both sides. In BC I was very casual and I was gearing up via badges. Still didn't get to see sunwell, badge gear cannot carry you that fair and I don't think it will for this time. Now I've changed guilds cos I want to see all that end game content. I think T8 level upgrades should be available via badges. I think one thing that would keep both sides happy is if the T8 tokens wern't available but had similar replacements via. I remember being in shatt and seeing someone fully kitted out in T5 or T6 gear and thinkin wow cool even tho I had similar level stuff with badge and crafted gear. I remember getting close to out dpsing a T6 lock but I didn't even have any T5 gear. Anyway long story the people that get their stuff from raids should have something to show thats how they got it but the casuals need gear to be able to eventully see that content too. And I know the argument is that there are achivements that will say it but I personnally like the out in the open kinda of achivement. End of the day I like the changes. I'm not a "hardcore" raider apparently since I've only just started working on hard modes and I don't mind I'm happy where I am. I think what gets some people worked up is that they might see someone running around in T8 that was never been in Ulda and that is fine by me cos I'm sure that person will stop and turn around when I run past in my shiny T9 and my epeen can be stoked for a lil bit.
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June 22, 2009, 05:37 AM
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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2
i don't get it what all the fuss is about. so people going to have access to ulduar loot table of badges, who cares when this goes live all the raider will be more worried on getting the new loot from the new raid not if other people are getting stuff they don't care anymore,at least on their mains. and remember this can be a game for us , but for blizzard it a business and they will do any thing they can to make it more profited for them |
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June 22, 2009, 06:50 AM
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Nekyia 85 Human Warlock Sunstrider Euro PvP |
Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2
AND WHY i have to run instances to have an epic off-hand? I dont like but PVP. There should be an option to be able to have an off-hand and wand without running instances. AND WHY those who run instances have the right to gather PVP gear? This is the most unbalanced confliction made by Blizzard so far... Emblems follow as a subsequent...
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June 22, 2009, 10:13 AM
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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2
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the only way maybe to make things fair there is giving the daylie BG a badge reward or sell badges for honor |
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