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October 28, 2009, 05:12 AM

#31 (permalink)

Cormanthor

Status: Dot, 'Lock and Drop it!

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Cormanthor
80 Human Warlock
Gnomeregan US PvE
Guild: Knights who say Ni
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: Various

Re: The lack of understanding in raid leaders/guild leaders

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyson

dk_owner_stam = (armory_stamina + fort)* kings * .75 # pets get 75% owner stam
dk_owner_int = (armory_int + ai) * kings * .30 # pets get 30% owner int

Quote:

dk = (fg_base_stam + fg_base_int + fort + ai + (gift_of_wild * 2) + dk_owner_stam + dk_owner_int) * kings * fel_vitality * dk_sp_factor

Edit2: I also think there's rounding (down, of course) regarding some steps of the calc. But I can't confirm this completely.

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Last edited by Cormanthor; October 28, 2009 at 05:27 AM.. Reason: Found second "error". And I think there's rounding...

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October 28, 2009, 04:02 PM

#32 (permalink)

dyson

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Dyson
80 Human Warlock
Scilla US PvP
Guild: Eden
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58

Re: The lack of understanding in raid leaders/guild leaders

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cormanthor

Just a question of the math presented here, but shouldn't you also factor in GotW? I see that it is factored in on the Felguard directly, but these two entries are not showing correctly raid buffed stats.

Edit: Also, shouldn't it count GotW twice for the Felguard, once for Stam, once for Int?

Edit2: I also think there's rounding (down, of course) regarding some steps of the calc. But I can't confirm this completely.

Hi Cormanthor, yes that's a good catch. You should count GoTW for stam and for int on the owner. I would probably modify these two lines

dk_owner_stam = (armory_stamina + fort+gotw)* kings * .75 # pets get 75% owner stam
dk_owner_int = (armory_int + ai+gotw) * kings * .30 # pets get 30% owner int

with what I put in bold then (gotw abbreviated for gift_of_the_wild)

I think you may be right about the rounding down at some points based on character sheet absolute values. Like the owner's int and stam and the fel guard's int and stam probably use either a rounding, ceiling, or floor formula.

But if you change a few of these a little, it won't make too much of a difference. I would be curious as to what the algorithm is though just for completeness. I suspect it is a floor function because my understanding is that some other stats like %hit is a floor() function. ie it doesnt matter if your char sheet says you have 12.1% hit or 12.99% hit, the combat table will still count it as 12% hit (12.0)

October 28, 2009, 05:50 PM

#33 (permalink)

nykwan

Character Info
Seurot
80 Undead Warlock
Arthas US PvP
Guild: Remorseless
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 3/14/54

Re: The lack of understanding in raid leaders/guild leaders

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Originally Posted by Jenren22

I think you're missing the point. He wasn't saying that all guilds 'require' a demo lock, he was saying that if there is a lock who is willing then why not?

Then I agree. Don't see why a RL won't let a lock play Meta if he wants to.

October 28, 2009, 05:54 PM

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Cormanthor

Status: Dot, 'Lock and Drop it!

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Cormanthor
80 Human Warlock
Gnomeregan US PvE
Guild: Knights who say Ni
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: Various

Re: The lack of understanding in raid leaders/guild leaders

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyson

I think you may be right about the rounding down at some points based on character sheet absolute values. Like the owner's int and stam and the fel guard's int and stam probably use either a rounding, ceiling, or floor formula.

But if you change a few of these a little, it won't make too much of a difference. I would be curious as to what the algorithm is though just for completeness. I suspect it is a floor function because my understanding is that some other stats like %hit is a floor() function. ie it doesnt matter if your char sheet says you have 12.1% hit or 12.99% hit, the combat table will still count it as 12% hit (12.0)

To my understanding, Hit% is calculated live out to four digits (unconfirmed), but things like stats are calculated via floor(). Check this thread @Wowhead for some related comments.

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October 29, 2009, 11:45 AM

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Parsnup

Character Info
Lunaped
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Shattered Hand US PvP
Guild: Apophasis
Talent Spec: 0/13/58

Re: The lack of understanding in raid leaders/guild leaders

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenren22

I think you're missing the point. He wasn't saying that all guilds 'require' a demo lock, he was saying that if there is a lock who is willing then why not? In a 25man raid there are two to three locks on average. Why should they all be destro? How many casters would benefit from DP? Alot. In a 10man raid, there should be one lock, and that lock has a choice to make.

It isn't a requirement. We cleared the whole of ToGC without a meta lock or an elemental shaman. It is just a luxury and if someone is offering it, it should be taken. Nobody should be forced out of a spec, but if none of those three locks want to spec to demo because they don't want to lose their place on the damage meter, well that says alot.

But most raid leaders fail to notice this, hence the whole point of this thread.

This.

On another note, although Demonology is very gear dependent, it is dependent on straight static spell power (with the spirit) and that is it. I know someone mentioned that the more geared out Warlock (Durdyn) should be Demo but in honesty, even if Durdyn has better gear overall then me does not mean he gives a higher Demonic Pact. From what I can see, he is geared more for peresonal DPS and not geared for DP.

Considering we both have Improved Fel Armor, it will increase our SP from our Spirit by 39% including 289.

Luna:
SP 2546 + 200 (ILL Trink static) + 259 (from spirit) + 289 (armor) = 3294
Spirit: 666

Durdyn:
SP 2649 + 290 (armor) + 224 = 3150
Spirit: 576

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cormanthor

Edit2: I also think there's rounding (down, of course) regarding some steps of the calc. But I can't confirm this completely.

Yes, Blizzard rounds down the numbers; so if it comes out to 250.9, it will just be 250, not 251. I took a look at calculating my spell power with Fel Armor rounding up, to what Blizzard gave me in game, which rounded down.

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