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October 29, 2009, 07:31 AM
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Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Best specs for TOC fights
I believe there was one done for Ulduar, which i will make use of, however i was wondering about TOC. I am dual specced demo/destro at the moment, and was wondering which fights were best for destro and which for demo? Is this any different for heroic? I am talking mainly for 10man but guess it won't make much difference. I was thinking for Juraxxus demo would be better so i can time meta for the mistress phases. Especially on heroic mode. I also think demo might be better for Anub'arak. Just want to utilise specs best i can. Would rather stick with demo more because of the DP buff, but my personal dps does matter too. Thoughts? |
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October 29, 2009, 08:22 AM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Best specs for TOC fights
Well... basically all fights do well with destro... but I can try to break it down a bit Northrend beasts: Doesn't really matter. Destro does a great job overall, Demo can squeeze a few more dps if meta is used for the crashes, and affliction is also competitive since the mobs stay up long enough. I've done Beasts heroic as Affliction and Destro, both worked, though destro gets higher numbers of course. Jaraxus: All specs do fine on normal mode, destro on top of course. To learn the fight on heroic I strongly suggest destro... the damage you can unload on the portals within a few seconds is vital. Maybe a Meta spec can do the same. Did it as affliction yesterday and we still downed him (25 man), but I'd really go destro for 10 mans. Faction Champions: I don't think your spec plays an important role on this fight. Buring down the first few mobs is important, but they usually live long enough for any spec to unload their damage. Plus, if you get too much burst you might become a target very quickly. A note on affliction: UA is nice, your dot's and curses don't get dispelled anymore. Also since you do a lot of passive healing, sooner or later you will have the warlock & hunter pet sit on you. And since you don't have talents that reduce the interrupt times, your dps suffers. You also don't have access to soul link. No difference between normal and heroic imho. Twins: All specs work, destro probably best. We're still working on the heroic version. I'm still wondering what the best spec for soaking is... all have pro's and con's for that, but I think lack of soul link is a major minus for affliction Anub: Destro/Demo if you have problems with the adds. Affliction & Demo are nice for the final burst phase. Only seen the 10 man heroic fight, as destro. Affliction might be a problem in P3, since you have to stay below 20% health, and thats maybe not possible with siphon life & haunt. In the end, everything comes back to the fact that destro has the highest base damage, and there's no fight where any of the other specs has a clear advantage. I've been running affliction for the SB buff and to prepare for 3.3, but I consider going back to Demo to also bring the DP buff... |
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October 29, 2009, 08:34 AM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Best specs for TOC fights
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 ToC fights, adds, etc tend to be short which favors destro. Due to raid damage and higher scaling of the demonic pact buff, demo is a valuable alternative. Twins 25man heroic ideally has soul link plus full points in demonic embrace for surviving orbs. You can take 2 wrong colored orbs plus 1 or 2 normal raid damage ticks with demo on 25man heroic with a mix of Ulduar and normal mode ToC25 gear. It becomes less of an issue as you get better gear with more stamina as part of a natural stat upgrade. That might imply that demo is better for Twin25 heroic, but if you want to be destro, you can still consider an Ensidia-style modification of destro which includes soul link. Maybe take a point out of ISL and move it to soul link. It's not a big deal really and helps survival for that fight. Anub 25man heroic really should ideally have survival talents as well like soul link. And of course, 25man heroic is all about AOE. Immolation aura + meta is awesome for buffing rain of fire. But still the spell power bonus intrinsic to deep demo plus molten core makes rain of fire in general less anemic than a straight destro spec. Can you do affliction for ToC? I'm sure you can. It's just not necessarily the best and as pointed out, a lot of the progression fights really benefit from soul link which is pretty much impossible to merge into the affliction spec but easy to do with destro. |
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October 29, 2009, 09:06 AM
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Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Best specs for TOC fights
Well i am trying to move away from destro a little for the sake of demonic pact, and to stop myself from trying to compete with people on damage meters. My gear supports an incredible amount of spell power through DP. I know destro overall does more base damage, but what about from a raids perspective? Does the overall raid damage go up with a demo lock? I have put this through simcraft and found it does. Are some fights where destro is a clear winner and will clearly win over having DP and meta spec? Because me and destro according to simulations does less raid damage overall than me as demo, which is higher. I want to make sure i am utilising these specs properly and doing what's best for the raid. Simulations can say one thing but fights that require alot of movement and target switching say another. |
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October 29, 2009, 02:51 PM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Best specs for TOC fights
well Jen... it depends on your raid whether it's worth going Demo or not. I don't see a fight mechanic in ToC that would completely favor one spec in terms of others. @dyson I use a modified deep destro build for Twins that has SL. It's also handy for faction champs, and I switched to this build since at some point I got rid of all my hit rating suddenly :D where does this huge AoE requirement happen at heroic Anub? Do you get four adds instead of two? |
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October 29, 2009, 04:26 PM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Best specs for TOC fights
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You get 2 adds with 10man heroic, so the AOEing is not so much an issue there and usually I have been deep destro for heroic 10man Anub. With that said, I went demo last week for getting insanity achiev and my DPS as demo even single targetting much of the time was not bad when I also made good use of immolation aura on the cooldowns and it allowed our mage to do mad burn DPS as arcane with me providing the crit buff also. |
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