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November 04, 2009, 06:47 PM
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Fizzik 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dunemaul US PvP Guild: Ghosts of Damnation Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
GC talks about the change to Infernals in PTR patch 3.3
GC has posted a few comments on questions related to the latest PTR patch note changes to the Infernal pet. For reference, the change is: Inferno: The cooldown on this summoning spell has been reduced from 20 minutes to 10 minutes. Cannot be used in Arenas. The original post can be found here. On the question of whether Doomguard would be better for this buff: The problem with lowering the Doomguard cooldown to ~10 min is there is a reasonable chance Affliction would just use the Doomguard all the time. We want the temporary warlock demons to useful but not actually replace the core demons. An interesting idea for Cataclysm is for them not to replace the current demon. I have no idea if we'll do this or not, but we won't be able to do it for 3.3. On the question of what the motivation for this change was: If you read the patch notes, you'll see that we lowered the cooldown on almost every long cooldown ability. The ones we did not lower (like the Doomguard) we didn't lower for specific reasons. This was not an attempt to buff Inferno and make it something all warlocks use. It was a pass at all of the long cooldowns still in the game. You might also consider that if you guys responded with fewer "Finally replied to a warlock issue" and "Do they even understand warlocks?" garbage posts that we might respond more often. On the question of whether or not Doomguards/Infernals could be guardians and used together with pets: The way the current technology works is you can have one pet or many guardians. Pets have a pet bar and guardians do not. We get around the first limitation on group pets like the shaman wolves by having them both use the same pet bar. It wouldn't be too hard to make a guardian Doomguard or Infernal pop out without replacing the Imp or Felhound etc. but then you'd lose the ability to give it specific commands. Having a second pet bar pop out or having one pet bar give different commands to different pets is something we currently can't do. |
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November 05, 2009, 01:05 AM
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Belthezor 80 Blood Elf Warlock Draenor US PvE PvP Guild: BCBuds Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: GC talks about the change to Infernals in PTR patch 3.3
Interesting. I have always assumed that blizzard knew our issues and felt our pain, but it is good to finally hear about something many of us have mentioned before. Its ashame that some people can not refrain from being rude on the forums though. When I use Inferno in BGs and WG I tend to let them go wild. I do occasionally have them attack certain targets though, but as affliction I try to dot everything up anyway, so the extra choas those minions cause tends to be helpful. Silly how some people will attack the doomguard and not the lock. lol If they did away with the control bar by making them guardians, I am not sure it would matter much to me. I would hate to see them get nerfed though, but if they do go the guardian route, I would think its a pretty safe bet that they would be nerfed. Another interesting point is that he mentions affliction locks would use dg all the time. Now why is that? I mean as destro I wouldn't want to give up my imp. As demo I wouldn't want to give up my felguard. But affliction uses felpup or succy because they are the best we have.. but neither is something we wouldn't rather give up for something else (DG). Maybe they should redo demons and give Affliction locks a shadowy demon that buffs shadow magic for us? |
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November 05, 2009, 01:38 AM
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Re: GC talks about the change to Infernals in PTR patch 3.3
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November 05, 2009, 01:47 AM
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Re: GC talks about the change to Infernals in PTR patch 3.3
it's quality > quantity time is finite, if for every 1 good post there are 9000 posts saying "finally they're listening to us" it's not very helpful since you're not telling the developers anything looking at the wow forums, that's just about right. there's a few good topics with very good dsicussions using numbers derived by the poster (instead quoting from some source ) and then there are several posts saying "why the fk you nerfed XYZ, I'm going to cancel if you don't do ABC" which is not entirely constructive or helpful in anyway . |
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November 05, 2009, 02:05 AM
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: GC talks about the change to Infernals in PTR patch 3.3
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Obviously, the Felguard is way too much for Demo to give up. The Doomguard and Infernal do not activate the deep Demo talents, making them rather useless. But Affliction DPS is not currently tied to any one demon. We used the Succubus because she could out-dps the puppy solo on a dummy. But every cooldown, Affliction drops a Doomguard for the crazy-good DPS boost that he is for that spec. It does not look like this will change in 3.3, even with the changes to Shadow Bite for the Felhunter. If the Doomguard and Infernal become guardians in 4.0, then I will probably use my Infernal every CD, and still rarely pull a Doomguard. The full party summoning ritual is rather cumbersome. It's hard enough to get these other classes to click a portal for the healthstones. 
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November 05, 2009, 03:45 AM
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Supernex 80 Gnome Warlock Drak'thul US PvP Guild: Epic Drops Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: GC talks about the change to Infernals in PTR patch 3.3
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November 05, 2009, 03:48 AM
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Svogithyr 80 Undead Warlock Shadowsong US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/17/54 |
Re: GC talks about the change to Infernals in PTR patch 3.3
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On the issue of Infernals: I like them the way they are. Shorter CD? Sure, thanks  I like to be able to control my pet, and if anything, I would love the ability to have the Infernal as a 'Main Demon', in return of maybe a SLIGHT nerf, or just give them no abilities, only white damage. AS they are now, they're fun to use, though I do wish I could use it more often. So this will be a nice little change. Maybe a glyph so we don't have to use reagents for them, Blizz? Nah, now I am getting my hopes up. |
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November 05, 2009, 03:49 AM
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Re: GC talks about the change to Infernals in PTR patch 3.3
Sounds pretty exciting to me! I would definitely love to see more infernals flying around during pvp. What I would like them to think about (especially if they allow the core demon to stick around) would be to make the infernal and the doomguard more desirable for demo warlocks. Possibly a talent to make them last longer and do more damage. It always seemed silly to me that the demonology spec was the only one that never used the strongest demons. On a side note... Quote:
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November 05, 2009, 03:58 AM
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Re: GC talks about the change to Infernals in PTR patch 3.3
it's not his job GC is a developer not a community manager (CM) he talks and posts feed back because he sees this a better way compared to the past where the blue does one wall of text every 3 months then hide in their cubby holes and rolls out changes irrespective of community feedback as for posting long term plans, 70 to 90% of the wow population takes blue posts and says "oh but they promised XYZ" irrespective of whether they actually did promise anything. when they post about what they are considering people bitch about them not delivering what they promise, when they don't people bitch about not getting info. |
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November 05, 2009, 06:21 AM
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Belthezor 80 Blood Elf Warlock Draenor US PvE PvP Guild: BCBuds Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: GC talks about the change to Infernals in PTR patch 3.3
Um.. yeah.. I know.. I didn't actually mean for the "Why is this?" part to be answered literally. As I went on to say, perhaps they should give affliction locks a demon that is tied into their dps as well. If you change infernals to guardians, then every lock, including demo and destro locks will use it every cd. Why wouldn't you? By simply lowering the cd, you are making Affliction locks bother the group to summon every 10min for the dg. Other locks won't bother as it would be a dps decrease. They don't want these two demons to take the place of core demons, but this would only help affliction locks anyway. And I totally agree with the summoning. Its such a pain in the butt. As was said, its hard enough to get two people to summon HS. I love how 10 people will just stand there with out clicking. /sigh |
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