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May 19, 2009, 05:25 AM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
A fire destro utility spec?
So, a few days ago I had a mage complaining because our ISB specced warlock wasn't there to provide the 5% crit bonus. Apparently it takes us one cast every 30 seconds to apply the buff, while they need to cast 5 spells... whatever... Since deep destro specs might be quite popular with the next patch, I thought about a modified deep destro build that would provide ISB. Here's a first idea: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft basically I took the points out of Cataklysm and one from destructive reach and backlash. This should be the lowest direct dps loss. However I currently can't estimate the indirect dps loss from using 10% more mana (and I was too lazy to put it in simcraft). And threat reduction is also nice usually. Altermative could be to nerf the Imp instead. Any ideas? |
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May 19, 2009, 05:58 AM
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Kintarooe 80 Human Warlock crushridge Euro PvP Guild: la Quinta Essenza Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: A fire destro utility spec?
look at my armory. i have spec with destro utility since the 3.1 changes (for 10 man raid). with imp sb, replenishment... and i have lost cataclysm, the 2 point demonic power, and 1 point in treath reduction. a little less personal dps, but good raid buff. 
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May 19, 2009, 10:32 AM
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Re: A fire destro utility spec?
This is an interesting idea. I have never even tried to use simcraft and I'm not going to start now, but I'd lean more towards lilsteele's spec over Kintarooe's. I would rather lose 1% personal crit and 3 yards range/5% threat reduction than .5 seconds off of my imp's firebolt (which is 25% of their total cast time). Fully specced into the imp his bolt hits fairly hard (about 1,700 non-crits), and the emp imp buff is very nice. I'd like to keep it up as much as possible. I would also think that the ISB debuff works for the imp's firebolt, thereby increasing the emp imp buff uptime. Let's compare the gains vs. losses in lil's spec compared to the cookie cutter 0/13/58. Gains ------
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If you typcially lifetap about every 30 seconds with this spec you may now have to cast every 27 seconds. With all of the movement in Ulduar I don't see this as being much of an issue. In a 5 minute fight it would be 1-2 more lifetaps. This means about a 20 dps loss. The 1% loss in crit is more than made up for by the 5% crit gain. My quick math shows the extra 4% crit being a 150-200 dps gain depending on gear and luck. The other issues can easily be overcome. Hopefully at this stage 5% extra threat will not get you killed. And while having an extra 3 yard range is nice, I don't think it's a requirement. I've been deep affliction for a while now and have been confined to a 30 yard range in all of Wrath of the Lich King without issues. In the end my quick math and estimations put this spec actually about 100-150 personal dps ahead of the cookie cutter. That doesn't even factor in the rest of the raid's dps gains. |
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May 19, 2009, 11:00 AM
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Re: A fire destro utility spec?
The bottom line here, is that it is a far greater RAID dps loss for a fire destro warlock to have to spec ISB and cast a shadowbolt every 30 seconds, compared to a mage having to cast scorch and keep it up for the duration. Your mage needs to stfu and cast scorch. Raid DPS > your mage's personal dps. |
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May 19, 2009, 11:06 AM
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Re: A fire destro utility spec?
If you are the only warlock in raid, which I have to assume you are if you are doing this weird build inserting spells into your rotation that should not be, let me ask you: Isn't another 1300 health per healthstone worth anything? I also echo Fallen: Spec Aff or Meta if you wanna keep that debuff up. |
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May 19, 2009, 11:19 AM
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Kintarooe 80 Human Warlock crushridge Euro PvP Guild: la Quinta Essenza Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: A fire destro utility spec?
i talk for me. i take imp sb and imp SL becoase in 10 man raid, there's a lock (max 2) , sometimes there is no mage, and sometimes there is no retri pala for rep. the personal dps loss is very low (about 200 dps), but if there's no other buff class... the raid take a very good buff (imp sb every up and replenishment). sometimes there are no Spriest and no boomkin... and i do CoE this work fine for me and for the guild where i am. naturally, every guild, is another world
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May 19, 2009, 11:28 AM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: A fire destro utility spec?
agree fallen but there might be some people that run 10 mans without a mage regularly. They might be interested in such a spec, and this morning I thought it would be interesting to discuss it :D ©Tragik Healstones can be handled via dual spec... not that I would recommend using your second spec for that, but you can. So lets assume that the deep destro spec is really a few 100 dps ahead of other specs, and that the modified spec including SB doesn't loose too much dps, it could still be better than affliction or whatever... and actually I can't see where fallen suggests speccing aff or meta... maybe on some other thread. |
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May 19, 2009, 11:30 AM
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Re: A fire destro utility spec?
My point is that Metamorphosis and Affliction builds utilize Sbolt as filler. So ISB is up either way. |
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May 19, 2009, 11:42 AM
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Tessine 80 Human Warlock Silver Hand US RP PvE Guild: Misanthropic Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: A fire destro utility spec?
Your mage is either lazy, glyphing poorly if fire, or lacking in a bit of clue. Imp Scorch glyph means 1 cast of Scorch applies 5 stacks of the debuff. It's considered a must-have by any Fire mage spec'ing into Imp Scorch. And even if that were the case and he did fail to glyph for Imp Scorch, he spam-casts Scorch five times, probably getting a couple of quick Hot Streak procs to toss in the middle, and thereafter he will have to cast 1 scorch every 30 seconds to maintain it. Now, all that being said, I'd say it makes more sense to have Affliction or Demo as your dual-spec and switch to that when the raid needs the debuff from you rather than trying to shoehorn a shadowbolt into the Destro rotation. Along those lines though, I wonder whether or not the DPS loss would be minimized or increased if you used a Backdraft charge for your Shadowbolt. Yes, you're losing the haste on a high-damage spell, but you're also minimizing the time spent casting an inefficient spell. |
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May 19, 2009, 12:07 PM
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Re: A fire destro utility spec?
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2 to 2.5 seconds out of every 30 to cast Shadowbolt doesn't seem that onerous, particularly if no one else is supplying this debuff. And on the general point of raid DPS outweighing personal DPS, it seems a bit hypocritical to tell one class to "stfu" and make a sacrifice when you're the one that's hoping to not make a sacrifice for the sake of personal DPS. Last edited by Nefastus; May 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM.. |
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