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June 11, 2009, 11:12 AM
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Spec Scaling?
I've been reading since 3.1 or 3.2 came out that destro scales better than does affliction. I think I also remember reading the the fg/emberstorm build doesn't scale as well as affliction. For me I've found that having just about 2k sp and do about 2.6-2.7k dps on the boss dummy with 3k+ with the drain soul rotation (all without the pet getting involved which would add maybe 200 more dps) but only do about 2.4-2.6 with the full destro build + imp. I haven't yet tried out the fg emberstorm but will tonight to see if that is still better than affliction at this point. My question, and thank you for bearing with me so far, is does anyone have a good guide as to at what point a build will be better than another? A spellpower based guide would be great like at 1500 sp go to aff, at 2500 sp go to destro for max dps. For me, being the guild's "boss killer" due to the fact that I'm out dpsing much better geared guildies, top dps by 500+ on bosses, all the dps I can eek out is worth it and I enjoy the challenge of learning all the builds (actually 40-31 and 41-30 are the only two I haven't delved into extensively). Thanks in advance. Currently I'm running dual spec with full affliction and the 13-58 build. Oh, btw I know that the other guildies dps isn't that great for me to be able to out dps them by this much but I run with them because they are good people and I have more fun with them than the uber-intense pugged raids I've run. |
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June 11, 2009, 11:20 AM
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Zeroneo 80 Undead Warlock Hellfire Euro PvE Guild: Cartel Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: Spec Scaling?
I suggest you post a link to your armory page so people can see if they have any advice based on the gear you currently have. I'm not into crunching on the numbers, so I don't think I can be much help to you.
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June 11, 2009, 11:42 AM
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Re: Spec Scaling?
This wasn't really intended to be a help me and my gear page as much as for the community. I was hoping that people would have some experience saying "at xx spellpwer and yy haste I found these two builds to be just about equal with dps" The World of Warcraft Armory and fyi I am hit capped almost perfectly for both builds (aff=14.03% + 3% talent and destro =17.00%) and will start running Naxx this weekend hopefully. The Spell power is almost the same but I do get the haste from the spellweave robes whereas I have the waterdrenched robes and the same northern tears ring but gemmed for that last bit to get hit capped for destro. Oh I have around 1989 sp with felarmor up and of course I always have a +sp potion and a few pallie buffs to get me over the 2k sp mark. On a side note and maybe this should be a new thread but as I almost never have a priest in my raids/groups and because the puppy is better, or so I was told here, than the succy if you don't have one; where is the best place to put the points from demonic power? I was leery of the dummy testing data but we went into H-UK last night and I easily pulled 3k dps with aff on bosses where I struggled to keep 2.7 with destro. I almost never have a boomkin or dk to apply the +13% damage either so I'm always putting up CoE if that matters to anyone reading. I'll post tomorrow what I find my dps to be with the fg ember build as a bit of a baseline for this thread. |
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June 11, 2009, 11:48 AM
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Killah 80 Gnome Warlock Aszune Euro PvE |
Re: Spec Scaling?
I am dual-speced into deep aff and deep destro. And on bosses i do more damage with affliction, dont know why. Maybe im more used to play it, since i am playing it since BC (was probb the only lock raiding with aff in BC). But it really depends on bosses, if there is a lot of runing around and switching targets destro is better |
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June 11, 2009, 11:53 AM
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Re: Spec Scaling?
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June 19, 2009, 10:48 PM
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Bellai 80 Human Warlock Frostwolf US PvP Guild: Crusade Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
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Stopped right there... With affliction you get a damage bonus when the target is below 35% HP which the Target Dummy is. So this is not an accurate depiction at all. Destro scaling is incredible and the burst is amazing. |
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June 19, 2009, 11:42 PM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Spec Scaling?
Destro and affliction scale almost equally with spellpower. Destro scales better with haste and crit on top of that. Demonology builds scale really bad :/ As a rule of thumb I'd suggest going destro when most of your gear comes from Naxx (normal and heroic) but not all is best-in-slot. This corresponds to 1700 to 1800 spellpower I think, and a reasonable amount of crit and haste. If you are clearly below that barrier, the hybrid builds based on the felguard might perform better. Meta too maybe. Affliction is viable at almost any gear level imho. Quote:
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June 20, 2009, 11:44 AM
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Re: Spec Scaling?
as deep meta i'm 1700+ spell power i'd probably loose a good chunk of that going deep destro. So i'd probably want to go 41/30 at 80 for max dps. Or would affliction do more damage? just typing out loud. Last edited by Sheeba; June 20, 2009 at 11:53 AM.. |
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June 20, 2009, 02:22 PM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Spec Scaling?
When I say 1700 spellpower, I mean raw spellpower from gear, without and buffs, in particular not Fel Armor and no pet summoned. For fresh level 80's I recommend any spec with a felguard. Affliction is good too if you plain to raid, for heroics it's just not optimal. I don't know how deep destro performs with entry level gear, but it shouldn't be too bad either. |
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June 23, 2009, 10:56 PM
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Ravehne 80 Undead Warlock Emerald Dream US RP PvP Guild: Défiant Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Spec Scaling?
Im pretty sure im way past the threshold where deep destro surpasses my fel/emberstorm spec. However, I attempted to try out deep destro and my dps lowered quite a bit. It may have to do with the fact much of my gear is haste and I had only 13% crit as deep destro and 18% as demo. I guess im trying to figure out if im past ready to switch and if so how do I make sure I keep up the good dps? Right now im one of the dps in my guild and id like to keep it that way. I have noticed that my dps really crumples in ulduar and I lose to the rogue I raid with. |
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