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September 04, 2009, 03:45 PM
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Jaystone 80 Human Warlock Quel'dorei US PvE Guild: Sanctified Vengeance Talent Spec: 0/18/53 |
Re: Warlock Threat
I believe we must be responsible for our own actions. There are times when tanks aren't geared appropriately but since we are working together in a group we must do what is necessary to ensure survival. If that means gimping DPS, sobeit. I agree if you compare threat per dps/damage done to other classes warlocks, have it the worst. "Check my armory, I'm top dps in my guild. Afterwards check my MT. If any of you is capable on overaggroing him, and out dpssing me, I'll give ya a medal." Benituccio, I hope you have alot of medals! |
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September 04, 2009, 03:57 PM
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Re: Warlock Threat
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About warlocks having it the worst, no mate no, mages have it much, much worse. Their aggro dump is utter crap and forces them to stop nuking for 3 seconds. If you're a capable and dedicated dpsser, you'll worry about wasting one GCD, let alone 3 seconds. Just have a quick look at this simple combat log, the dps you see there is sustained, yet never had to shatter once: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis Last edited by noctywocty; September 04, 2009 at 04:03 PM.. |
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September 04, 2009, 05:08 PM
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Helixir 80 Human Warlock Suramar US PvE Guild: FEG Profile: WoW Rankings Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: Warlock Threat
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Those that sneer at that statement are fortunate. I have, playing a warlock, run with tanks where their keeping up with my threat was not a problem, but it's been the exception. The reverse has been true of the mage, and the damage is comparable. |
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September 04, 2009, 05:34 PM
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Re: Warlock Threat
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Good tanks being an exception depends on who you take as a tank. For me a bad tank is an exception. I think we should start discussing how to help our tanks get control of their class, rather than complaining about threat. Warlocks are ,in almost all aspects of this game, fine. Last edited by noctywocty; September 04, 2009 at 05:38 PM.. |
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September 05, 2009, 02:38 PM
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Helixir 80 Human Warlock Suramar US PvE Guild: FEG Profile: WoW Rankings Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: Warlock Threat
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September 05, 2009, 02:51 PM
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Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Warlock Threat
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Not taking aggro is a challenging thing, and a good skill to master. |
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Today, 08:19 AM
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Re: Warlock Threat
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When starting a fight I see a lot of people with their threat bars up there, retadins, hunters, mages, along with the locks. By about 20 seconds into the fight the lock is always the top of that list, with the tank not too far ahead. Great, if you've got a tank that completely outgears you then you'll be fine. Otherwise the WARLOCKS have to worry. Not the mages, they don't care if the tank's bad, nor the rogues or huntards or anyone else. Just the locks. Well, with that much threat we must be doing a massive amount of damage right? We should just learn to manage our dps yeah? Nup. Our damage is nothing special, and if we just stopped dpsing all the time when it looked like we might catch the tank then we'd be out of the top 5 dps altogether. Threat is an issue for warlocks. If you don't think so well then you're  Oh, and we do NOT have one of the best agro dumps. All three of the other pure dps classes have better agro dumps. Mages, rogues and huntards all have 100% agro dumps, and I'd rather have any of them than lame arse soul shatter. Huntards have theirs on a 30 sec CD! Mages and rogues can survive a wipe with theirs! Not to mention that huntards can MD, rogues have ToT and mages have MI! 
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Today, 09:01 AM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Warlock Threat
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 Btw, if you get one-shotted, learn to play. A dps should never pull off the tank, no matter how bad it is. When the boss moves because someone pulls off the tank, it can often wipe the raid, no matter how fast the tank is with taunt or whether the dps can iceblock/feign death or not. |
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Today, 12:32 PM
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My main's a feral tank, and I'm not thinking about me as world's most blessed player (well, sometimes^^). I'm putting out (with MD and ToT) some 7-8k tps through normal fights (toc 10/25) and have not heard any complains by any dps class, that they had to take a book and read some paragraphs let alone pages to not over aggro the tank. Considering 20% threat reduce by talents you'd have to run some 8.5k ++ dps to be on par with my main's threat. If you show me some dpser to run 8.5k, I show you someone who completely outgears me.^^ Main's guild is somewhere at the borderline of fun/casual/raid guild. Only hard part to deal with is heroism at the very start of phase 2 of boss 1 in toc, but that's where MD and ToT really shine. Quote:
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