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Old July 26, 2009, 08:24 PM   #51 (permalink)

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flyingade
80 Human Warlock
dragonblight Euro PvE
Guild: sinister
Talent Spec: 3/15/53
3.1 Re: Trying to justify staying affliction.

as i said earlier in this thread i leveled affliction and stayed that way as it was what i knew.

i enjoyed it the skill of keeping all the dots up is rewarding but i got tired of not pulling my weight on the total damage due to the lack of burst and the attention required meant that i was getting some of the tactics wrong occasionally.

so i dual speced destro.

now i have time to spend watching omen and tactics of the bosses and I must admit i do love the high crit numbers.

its worth noting that the cookie cutter destro spec has changed slightly in the thread here. extra point in destructive reach being the main thing. I found this has helped my agro a lot and have gone from being up near the tank in omen to down with the others.

i havnt raided affliction in quite some time but on the heroic dummy im doing about 3k with destruction and 2.6k on affliction although i admit im not getting the rotations spot on with affliction so there is some to gain back there. but there is a lot to keep up, LT every 20secs, Curse of Agony, haunt UA and the long cast time of SB makes it quite tricky to get the best out of affliction.

at the end of the day you need to get the bosses down as fast as possible part of it is dps part of it is agro management and part of it is getting the tactics right.

destruction does better dps for me and the simple spell rotation frees me up to think about the tactics and agro management. So i can confidently say that im not following the sheep for the big numbers im doing whats best for the raid. The only thing thats bugging me with destro is on bosses wheres theres a fair bit of raid damage i have found myself sitting there waiting for a heal with half health and no mana having already popped the healthstone, potion and bandage (macroed). it doesnt happen very often but when it does i do find myself wondering if i would be in the same sitution with affliction. Having said that once i'm hit capped with 3 points in suppression once i get more gear with hit on it and in can loose the points in suppression and put them in SL and ISL im sure that will improve too.

3.2 has some interesting changes for affliction it will be interesting to see how they pan out.

Ade
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Old July 26, 2009, 11:13 PM   #52 (permalink)

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Requiel
80 Human Warlock
Bronzebeard US PvE
Guild: Øutspoken
Profile: Magelo
Talent Spec: 54/0/17
3.1 Re: Trying to justify staying affliction.

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The only thing thats bugging me with destro is on bosses wheres theres a fair bit of raid damage i have found myself sitting there waiting for a heal with half health and no mana having already popped the healthstone, potion and bandage (macroed). it doesnt happen very often but when it does i do find myself wondering if i would be in the same sitution with affliction.
What about deathcoil? It has a pretty hefty heal attached to it. I use that in the "OH S#$T!" situations when i am low on HP and have already stoned/potted.
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Old July 26, 2009, 11:26 PM   #53 (permalink)

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Bleeding Hollow US PvP
Guild: REIGN OF DEATH
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Re: Trying to justify staying affliction.

ok I have to say, I was playing and loving affliction for a while, and decided to switch to destro to try it out and see what I thought of it before giving it any more criticism, and I like it a lot. In fact, I'm going to keep it as my raiding build, and keep Demonology as my leveling for now.

I like it more than aff, mostly because I've always had a thing for fire, and partly because I feel more useful when I'm pumping out crits with incinerate and chaos bolt, than when I was struggling to be useful to a group when fighting multiple mobs.

I don't recall if I ever bashed destro in the few posts I made (haven't been here for a couple days and have spaced) but if I did I take it back :P
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Old July 26, 2009, 11:39 PM   #54 (permalink)

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maiev US PvP
Profile: Blizzard Armory

3.1 Re: Trying to justify staying affliction.

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As it has been said many times before, until the day that someone else pays your subscription fee for a game, you should play whatever style/spec you want since you are paying to play.

Just my $0.02
Exactly, and guilds have the freedom to /gkick you if you don't play the spec that suits their needs.

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I'd expect a relatively equally skilled and geared destro lock and affliction lock to pull off very close overall numbers at the end of the night.
Nope, just the opposite. SimCraft shows destro 400-600dps above affliction. In Naxx I'm about 400-600dps below our destro lock ................ In Ulduar I'm more like 1000-1200dps below our destro lock.

Ulduar is just not Affliction friendly, but I like affliction and the guild wants it for the crit debuff.

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i havnt raided affliction in quite some time but on the heroic dummy im doing about 3k with destruction and 2.6k on affliction although i admit im not getting the rotations spot on with affliction so there is some to gain back there. but there is a lot to keep up, LT every 20secs, Curse of Agony, haunt UA and the long cast time of SB makes it quite tricky to get the best out of affliction.

Ade
Affliction is easier now than it has been for a long time, and Affliction is actually = or > than destro on a dummy because destro scales harder with raid buffs.

Also, if you are life tapping for the buff, you are losing DPS.

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My sequence against bosses was Life Tap 1, CoE, SB, Haunt, Corruption, UA. Renew dots as needed, full LT at times for mana or LT1 if SB doesn't fit. Drain Soul below 25%.
Drop CoE for Curse of Agony and don't l/t for the buff.

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Old July 27, 2009, 04:07 AM   #55 (permalink)

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flyingade
80 Human Warlock
dragonblight Euro PvE
Guild: sinister
Talent Spec: 3/15/53
Re: Trying to justify staying affliction.

death coil... damn it, forgot about that spell! thanks

im supprised that with the LT glyph the 100 or so Spell (depending on how much spirit you have) it gives doesnt isnt worth the gcd?

Ade
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Old July 30, 2009, 09:06 PM   #56 (permalink)

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Xavron
80 Gnome Warlock
Moon Guard US RP PvE
Guild: Veritas
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 53/1/17
3.1 Re: Trying to justify staying affliction.

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Nope, just the opposite. SimCraft shows destro 400-600dps above affliction. In Naxx I'm about 400-600dps below our destro lock ................ In Ulduar I'm more like 1000-1200dps below our destro lock.
That's the feeling that I've been getting from being in Ulduar the past 5-6 months. Back in Naxx-10, I was at the top of the charts, and really rocked hard on the overall damage. But since about halfway into Ulduar, I felt like affliction damage just isn't scaling correctly.

I'm being left in the dust by rogues, feral kitties, and hunters.

But I'm not willing to switch to destro, it doesn't suit me.
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Old August 01, 2009, 07:31 AM   #57 (permalink)

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80 Blood Elf Warlock
Executus Euro PvP
Guild: Deliverance
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58
Re: Trying to justify staying affliction.

It's a shame a favourites spec gets left in the dust like that. I felt like that, until i decided to go with the crowd and actually found after playing destro for a few weeks i enjoy it ten times better. Affliction kind of seems boring compared to it, although i have it there to use on fights like Yogg etc.
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Old August 01, 2009, 10:53 AM   #58 (permalink)

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Iazt
80 Undead Warlock
Burning Steppes Euro PvP
Guild: Pinkertons
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 3/13/55
3.1 Re: Trying to justify staying affliction.

Though it's nice that the blues is aware of that affliction isn't doing that well atm. I say on Wow.com that GC made a statement on the official forum about this.

"We are unlikely to revert the SL or Immolate changes. If Affliction's damage ends up being too low, we would be more likely to address it in other ways."

Source: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums - Revert Changes to AFF plz . Ty

Hopefully we will see a buff to affliction in the near future, though it will surely take too long...
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Old August 01, 2009, 12:58 PM   #59 (permalink)

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Jenerena
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Executus Euro PvP
Guild: Deliverance
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58
3.1 Re: Trying to justify staying affliction.

I certainly don't see many affliction warlocks about anymore, and it's not suprising. I know people have it as offspec but i don't see many warlocks using that spec throughout an entire raid. Half the bosses in Ulduar go destro, half i go Affliction. Although if i'm perfectly honest, Yogg seems to be the only fight to me that it shines. The rest i just feel nothing but a lag behind. It is a shame, because sometimes when your brain can't handle anymore exciting burst, playing affliction is like a breath of fresh air. I just don't think i could play it as my main spec at the moment, the numbers just aren't there and the fights are getting shorter as we gear up, meaning drain soul ticks are few and far between.

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ok I have to say, I was playing and loving affliction for a while, and decided to switch to destro to try it out and see what I thought of it before giving it any more criticism, and I like it a lot. In fact, I'm going to keep it as my raiding build, and keep Demonology as my leveling for now.

I like it more than aff, mostly because I've always had a thing for fire, and partly because I feel more useful when I'm pumping out crits with incinerate and chaos bolt, than when I was struggling to be useful to a group when fighting multiple mobs.

I don't recall if I ever bashed destro in the few posts I made (haven't been here for a couple days and have spaced) but if I did I take it back :P
Me too. Back at 3.1, i was so defensive about all this 'destro is best' stuff. I was very loyal to my spec and was very defensive when people told me to try destro out. I did try it when i had lower level gear, and didnt work out for me, which made me even more defensive and confused. Then once i got geared up in Ulduar i tried it again and now i'm pumping out alot more damage than affliction.

What i do like is the fact they're both very different to play and i now know i can play both well. Sometimes i like to chill out as affliction on a certain boss, mainly to get shards back i daresay but also because it's a nice relaxing rotation, as i'd played it for so long i just knew it off by heart. But having two very different specs really gives some variety to our class. Just a shame affli just can't keep up.
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Old September 03, 2009, 04:50 AM   #60 (permalink)

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DeathofShade
80 Undead Warlock
Vashj US PvP
Guild: killjoy
Talent Spec: 54/0/17
Re: Trying to justify staying affliction.

I was aff... I loved it. But... I'm obssesed with being top dps so I had to switch to the destro build... it was a very sad day for me.
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