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Old July 07, 2009, 12:42 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Ophyilla
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Wyrmrest Accord US RP Guild: The Travellers
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 3/13/54
3.1 Fire Raiding Destro +1 Tested

I've been having problems with my spec / DPS out put since Ulduar has come out. For a while now I've been running a Affliction spec for main and a Destro/Demon spec for secondary.

The Affliction is a 55 / 2 / 14 that in Naxx can pump out about 2.5-3.1k DPS.

The Destro/Demon was something like a 5 / 24 / 42 and it was alright for trash in Naxx or while doing dailies, but it was staying about 1.5-2.1k DPS on bosses in raids.

Now, now this last weekend my pally friend and I did a bit of internet spec prowling and found one that I've been testing. It's called Fire Raiding Destro +1. It's a 3 / 13 / 54 build with one point extra for you to play with. I personally dropped that extra point into Shadowfury for the extra AoE to use on dailies, trash, and in PvP. The glyphs you want running for this are Conflagrate, Immolate, and Life Tap. So far with it, I have done about 2.6-3.0k DPS on Thaddus in Naxx 25 and about 2.8-3.2k DPS on Freya, trash, and Mimiron in Ulduar 10.

I'm not saying all warlocks should spec this one, I'm just saying that I have tested it and it works good so far. I have a few others I'm going to be testing over the next week or so. If anyone would like to hear more about the ones I am playing around with, let me know. I don't mind sharing.
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Old July 07, 2009, 12:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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80 Human Warlock
Scilla US PvP
Guild: Eden
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Talent Spec: 0/13/58
3.1 Re: Fire Raiding Destro +1 Tested

This is not too different from 3/13/55 already outlined and tested by Elitist Jerks and listed in Fallenman's raiding spec quick guide

Fallenman's 3.1.2 Quick Raid Spec Rundown! - The Warlocks Den Forums

You actually will want to replace Glyph of Immolate with Glyph of Incinerate. Incinerate is 50%+ of your damage in PVE, and will give you more bang for the buck than Glyph of Immolate.
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Old July 07, 2009, 12:59 PM   #3 (permalink)

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80 Human Warlock
Terenas Euro PvE

Re: Fire Raiding Destro +1 Tested

well aeh... most warlocks here are running this spec, or the variation without hit (0/13/58).

Actually there's a sticky in exactly this sub-forum that layout's this and a bunch of other specs, including the glyphs to use and rotations. So, thank you for sharing, but we already know
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Old July 07, 2009, 01:18 PM   #4 (permalink)

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Carnall
80 Human Warlock
Rexxar US PvE
Guild: Sanctified
Talent Spec: Dest/Dem
3.1 Re: Fire Raiding Destro +1 Tested

With all due respect ma'am you can do better dps with your gear.
I do 2.9 raid raid buffed destro and 3.2 affliction dps with my gear and I would do unpleasant things for your gear. Solo buffed I do about 2.5+ destro and 2.6+ with affliction
Might I recommend getting the dying curse trinket so you aren't hit capped unless of course you run with a dranei + shadow priest/boomkin in which case I'm very jealous. If that's the case I'm pretty sure you want the Illusion of the Dragon Soul trinket from OS 25.

I would have also put that extra point in your emberstorm talent (@4/5 atm) +3% damage in fire spells is good. -.05s cast time on incinerate is icing on proverbial cake.

One other note is that the 0/13/54 build does slightly higher dps than the 3/13/51.

As long as you are having fun, I guess that's what really matters. =)

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Old July 07, 2009, 01:31 PM   #5 (permalink)
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With all due respect ma'am you can do better dps with your gear.
I do 2.9 raid raid buffed destro and 3.2 affliction dps with my gear and I would do unpleasant things for your gear. Solo buffed I do about 2.5+ destro and 2.6+ with affliction
Might I recommend getting the dying curse trinket so you aren't hit capped unless of course you run with a dranei + shadow priest/boomkin in which case I'm very jealous. If that's the case I'm pretty sure you want the Illusion of the Dragon Soul trinket from OS 25.

I would have also put that extra point in your emberstorm talent (@4/5 atm) +3% damage in fire spells is good. -.05s cast time on incinerate is icing on proverbial cake.

One other note is that the 0/13/54 build does slightly higher dps than the 3/13/51.

As long as you are having fun, I guess that's what really matters. =)
Carnall, I am not sure this thread is about critiqueing Ophyllia's gear. It's about spec. The advice to get those two trinkets is well-meaning, I am sure, but a little off base.

IoDragonSoul and Dying Curse are not easy trinkets to obtain. I am sure any warlock would pick them up if they had the opportunity. It took me 2 months straight pug raiding Naxx25 every week to get Dying Curse and OS25 every week and still do not have IoTDS.

Also your talent spec numbers do not even make sense. There's no such thing as a 0/13/54 and 3/13/51 build unless you aren't level 80 yet? Also, if you are recommending Dying Curse as a trinket because of +hit concerns, then you are probably aware that the 3 points of suppression in Ophyllia's current build are designed around that issue already.

Finally, I am not sure what you are talking about telling Ophyllia to put an extra point in Emberstorm. The spec that is linked there already has 5/5 emberstorm.
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Old July 07, 2009, 01:37 PM   #6 (permalink)

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80 Human Warlock
Malfurion US PvE
Guild: Entity

3.1 Re: Fire Raiding Destro +1 Tested

Personally, I'd drop the lifetap glyph as well and go with immo, incin and conflag. I don't think it's productive or worth it to lifetap enough to keep the buff up all the time.
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Old July 07, 2009, 01:54 PM   #7 (permalink)

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80 Human Warlock
Rexxar US PvE
Guild: Sanctified
Talent Spec: Dest/Dem
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Carnall, I am not sure this thread is about critiqueing Ophyllia's gear. It's about spec. The advice to get those two trinkets is well-meaning, I am sure, but a little off base.

IoDragonSoul and Dying Curse are not easy trinkets to obtain. I am sure any warlock would pick them up if they had the opportunity. It took me 2 months straight pug raiding Naxx25 every week to get Dying Curse and OS25 every week and still do not have IoTDS.

Also your talent spec numbers do not even make sense. There's no such thing as a 0/13/54 and 3/13/51 build unless you aren't level 80 yet? Also, if you are recommending Dying Curse as a trinket because of +hit concerns, then you are probably aware that the 3 points of suppression in Ophyllia's current build are designed around that issue already.

Finally, I am not sure what you are talking about telling Ophyllia to put an extra point in Emberstorm. The spec that is linked there already has 5/5 emberstorm.
I know the trinkets are hard to get... I've been trying forever (2 months and I have yet to even see the dragon soul drop nm roll on it)

the talent point distribution I know I screwed up. I was kinda hoping nobody would notice.

I read her post and she said that she was now getting her dps to x. I was simply saying that she can do better with the new spec that's all. I know it was a little off topic but it was more a if you think it's good now, just wait till you learn the rotation.

The hit points again were because she only has 12% hit on her character sheet. That is why I specified unless she is getting the other points from other sources. (12+3=15; hit cap is 17%) I probably could have left out the dranei part but she'd need to be running with someone else who can put up those points for her.

I said that she should get take 5/5 emberstorm because she said that she took a point in shadowfury which is not part of the spec she stated. Its not actually 3/13/53+1 or whatever she stated. I took the time to check out her build and noticed that she only took 4 out of 5 emberstorm talents which is where my comment came from. Not the spec it's self.

Was there anything else that was confusing? Things don't always translate to paper from my head properly.
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Old July 07, 2009, 02:51 PM   #8 (permalink)

Re: Fire Raiding Destro +1 Tested

I'm going to go ahead and lock this, since this spec is posted in the sticky at the top of the forum, and there is plenty of discussion to be had about it there.
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