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November 03, 2009, 10:12 AM
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Demonology Build/Rotation Advice
Hi all, Firstly apologies if this information is elsewhere, I have looked around and can't find what i'm looking for! My guild is raiding TOTGC 25 man and have cleared 3/5 bosses so far. I tend to play destruction and pull very good numbers but the other warlock in our raid kindly plays as demo to provide Demonic Pact and Improved Shadow Bolt and as Guild Leader I thought I would help wherever I can improve his numbers, sadly i'm not a great theory crafter! If anyone has any advice for suggested demo builds, glyphs and rotations I would be very grateful. Thanks all. |
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November 03, 2009, 10:34 AM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Demonology Build/Rotation Advice
Fallenman's 3.1.2 guide is still applicable, just follow 0/56/15 build Fallenman's 3.1.2 Quick Raid Spec Rundown! I think the glyphs are a little unclear after he edited his guide a bit, I believe they should be lifetap, meta, and felguard in general. Look at my armory build if you want to see a tweak to the demo spec that has improved healthstones. Demo works pretty well on Twins heroic 25man as it will let you have the stam + soul link to absorb 2 wrong colored balls in a pinch if you are a soaker. If you go into heroic anub 25man, the only change I would recommend to the rotation is to replace CoD with Curse of Agony on Anub. Curse of Agony has a high likelihood of proc'ing molten core. Since the AOE you use is rain of fire, having molten core up when it comes time to use fire damage is more useful than a single target damage boost of CoD. Sadly molten core's effect on rain of fire seems that it will go away in patch 3.3, but for now, take advantage of it! |
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November 03, 2009, 10:49 AM
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Re: Demonology Build/Rotation Advice
Thanks, I rather foolishly disregarded the posts tagged with 3.1! This is a great help thanks. |
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November 03, 2009, 11:12 AM
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Balzhar 80 Undead Warlock Karazhan Euro PvP Guild: undecided Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/50/21 |
Re: Demonology Build/Rotation Advice
I did some tests on dummies yesterday and came to the following conclusions: Shadow Bolt averaged about 3.11k DP sec cast time (249k/40 SB's/2secs, with my haste) Immolate avaraged about 1k DP sec cast time (36.3k/30 Imm's/1.2 secs) Corruption averaged about 1k DP sec cast time (30k/30 Corr's/1 sec) My conclusion: there should be no rotation for Demo until Decimation procs. The damage per cast time for corr and Imm aren't close to SB. Even if Molten Core procs. Even if you have glyph of Imm. Cast Order = CoE/CoD->SB->SB->SB....until decimation Coud got it wrong: "guessing blizz don't want you to roll your face on the keyboard after binding every key to shadowbolt." This should all change with the new Molten Core OFC. |
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November 03, 2009, 11:27 AM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Demonology Build/Rotation Advice
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We are talking about a build that supports heroic 25man raids which should by definition be fully raid buffed. |
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November 03, 2009, 11:34 AM
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Balzhar 80 Undead Warlock Karazhan Euro PvP Guild: undecided Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/50/21 |
Re: Demonology Build/Rotation Advice
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If you disagree, SHOW ME THE NUMBERS. Just saying I am wrong because I don't take raid buffs into account doesn't hold much weight. |
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November 03, 2009, 11:56 AM
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Re: Demonology Build/Rotation Advice
Immolate is your 2nd highest DPCT spell next to CoD as demo. Corruption goes up to proc MC and further bolster Immolate. HOWEVER: In situations that necessitate large burst (Portals and Volcanoes on Heroic Jaraxxus, Snobolds on Heroic Beasts) I hold meta and don't use anything but Sbolt. The on demand burst of spamming Sbolt on low-health (aka less than 1 million) targets with Meta active is comparable to any other class. The one exception is if you get locked out of Shadow by Maiden's kiss. Then you have to apply immolate and use Incinerate until your Shadow lock out ends. As somebody else mentioned, this may change in 3.3 due to the MC change, but all-in-all you need to be aware of the situation. Once you get really comfortable, maintain your DoTs on Jaraxxus and Gormok and put your primary nuke spam on the Ranged-focus. |
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November 03, 2009, 01:10 PM
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Ericmillikin 80 Orc Warlock Terrokar US PvE Guild: The Fallen Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
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November 03, 2009, 01:19 PM
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November 03, 2009, 02:43 PM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Demonology Build/Rotation Advice
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Whatever you did, your numbers look totally off... Here's some numbers from one of our demo locks from an excursion o ToC 25: SB: total damage: 7834924 from 953 hits+crits Corr: total 950573 from 777 ticks I get, assuming no haste, 3288 dpct for SB and 4894 dpct for Corruption. Haste will increase the numbers, but will not change the ratios, so we can ignore it. Oh, from the same report I get 5760 dpct for immolate. The simcraft link is also a nice counterexample. |
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