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August 14, 2008, 09:49 AM
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Zetra 70 Undead Warlock Laghing Skull Euro PvP Guild: Nordic Reign Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Pure evil?
Was sitting around browsing the general forum. Found a thread about "Worst things you heard from rogue while tanking". The OP had misspelled rogue and it ended up becoming a flaming thread. But in that thread some healer wrote about how he didnt heal people that took aggro all the time. That made me think about all the times puging on my restoshammy. I cba to heal some kids, for example, rogues that always engage the fight (rogues in general for behaving quite bad most of the time), mages loading up a pyro while marking before pull etc. And most of the times I let people die on purpose. Perhaps this is pure evil, or if I look at it from a different perspective Im helping them deal with their L2P-issues. My favorite tanks are thoes that early on state "you aggro it you tank it"  Some people hate my resto shammy, some people love him. I usually end up having a great laugh with half the party loving me and the other part with me on ignore list. Does any of your evil tendencies spill over from your warlock when being on alts? /Zetra Last edited by Zetra; August 14, 2008 at 09:54 AM.. |
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August 14, 2008, 10:28 AM
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Crocus 70 Gnome Warlock Garona US PvE Guild: Prismatic Order Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 7/43/11 |
Re: Pure evil?
See, I don't consider it evil. Now if I, as a healer, sacrificed one of my party members to give me an extra 15% bonus to my healing spells in the middle of the fight, THAT would be evil...and sooo fantastically wonderful; I don't know why healers can't do that now. Everyone would be trying to get on the healer's good side. The "you spank it, you tank it" philosophy is used by lots, and it doesn't strike me as being evil, merely practical. Is this evidence that my new undead alt is rubbing off on me? On my resto druid, I'll do what's good for the party. If there's a DPS class, of any sort, whose death won't make much difference in performance, I have no problems letting him die; interesting that those toons (don't know about players) tend to be male. Quite frankly, not paying attention to aggro, or not avoiding the volcano, is disrespectful to the healer. I won't get snippy at the newly dead dps'er in question if they ask why they didn't get heals. It's not worth my time or frustration. Now, if the dead person starts to give me crap about my healing, they might start to not get any heals regardless of situation...as long as it doesn't put too much stress on the encounter.
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August 14, 2008, 10:36 AM
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Zetra 70 Undead Warlock Laghing Skull Euro PvP Guild: Nordic Reign Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Pure evil?
Well perhaps the evil part is laughing my *** off about it... /Zetra |
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August 14, 2008, 10:45 AM
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Barghbq 80 Orc Warlock Azshara US PvP Guild: Grey Hand Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18 |
Re: Pure evil?
I recently started leveling a warrior (well, I started with a druid but I kinda' fell into twinking her @ 39) and at level 27, I have done two instances (WC and BFD). In both cases, I wound up sitting back and watching the hunter / rogue get beaten on by the mobs because they would pull without marking or announcing the kill order (and in some cases, fighting two or three mobs in different places). "If the cat wants to tank, I'm gonna' let him tank. I'll keep the healer alive." With my druid, I have even more control over who lives and who dies. I do my best to keep everybody up (even though I'm rarely protected), although if somebody does something stupid (level 30 anything grabbing the flag, flag-carrier stopping to fight midfield, somebody trying to go 1 v 5 against obvious twinks while saying "Heal Me"), then I'll let them die. In one AB, a paladin and I were the only healers. We wound up being abandoned at the farm at the beginning of the match, so we stayed there and kept each other alive against the incoming. I'm sure the rest of the team wondered why we had top heals and fewest deaths, but if you're gonna' leave a healer, much less two, to guard the flag.... In another match (before I'd learned) I did keep a hunter alive against a rush. I moonfired the last one standing, got a crit, and the player died. The hunter announced in chat "I hate druids who moonfire to get the killing blow without doing anything beforehand." I responed that if keeping him alive didn't count for anything, then I just wouldn't bother in the future. And I didn't. I'm not sure I'd attribute all this to my warlock's evilness rubbing off on me, though. I think it has more to do with my frustration at play-style/attitude of other players. |
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August 14, 2008, 11:13 AM
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Re: Pure evil?
Provided that the role, and the reason of "game" life of an healer is to provide heals, when as an healer i see someone doing an error, i can (as the party) forgive. If the error is repeated, and coupled with bad behaviour, well the good of the party has priority. If a n00b dps dies to save the rest of the party.... GG to his repair costs, and cry me a river! If the noob is the tank, or another healer (PUGs are very interesting), or a key role in party, well i tend to see if the party can afford a bad player. If the party has enough potential to survive, i hold on and keep doing my role as best as i can. If the party has no margin for errors... Bye Bye. If i screw things, as a dps, as a tank, as an healer (wow boredom hitted me as soon as i hitted 70 with my 1st char, and didn't left me now that i have some other :( ) .... well at least i apologize: there is only a way not to make mistakes: it's doing nothing ;P A nice toon to have everybody happy with dps and heals is a SP: toss a VE a VT, slap crit a Mind Blast, whatch all these numbers of healing pop all around you, tab, repeat. And top the AV as number of kills ;P |
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August 14, 2008, 11:19 AM
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Re: Pure evil?
The only problem with "you pull it you tank it" is that frequently the healer ends up healing them for a bit, and then gets aggro and dies, or at least ends up struggling. If the healer dies, you die, game over. I think I tend to adopt that philosophy sometimes though when someone's pulled a few times as by then the healer is fed up and just lets them die before I pick the mob up. Though sometimes they pull a mob you've not touched and then it goes on to the healer. It'd be so easy if people watched their threat meter and didn't just expect you to have enough threat to keep aggro. The worst of the bunch are the middle of the table DPSers. The top flight ones learn that they *can * pull aggro, while the middle ones don't have enough DPS to pull aggro off a tank being hit by a raid boss while they have BoS, while in a 5 man it's very different, and hence, frustrating. |
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August 14, 2008, 11:27 AM
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Barkle 80 Undead Warlock Rexxar US PvE Guild: Corpus Vile Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: Pure evil?
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Personally, I'm a big fan of the you pull it you tank it philosophy. I've got a 70 feral druid, so I've don't my fair share of tanking. You want to pull, then mark, assign a kill order, and if you can't misdirect or feign death, you better have a way for the tank to pull the mobs off ya, or you are going to die. I've done my share of marking/pulling as a warlock. CoE/CoS pulls just fine, but you better not pull multiple mobs, or you will be drain tanking for a minute. Had a raid leader, pre-BC who like to speed pull. He wouldn't warn us it was speed pulling night, he would just start the next pull 15 seconds after we finished the last one. We usually got caught napping on the first one, but after that it kept you on your toes. You quickly developed the habit of eating/drinking the instant that last mob went down. None of that is Pure Evil. Pure Evil is the raid leader we had this last year (resto druid) who would cyclone stuff just for fun. Its the main reason I stopped using Darkmoon: Crusade. Nothing, I mean nothing tweaked me off more than building up a full charge on that sucker then having the druid cyclone our focus fire target and watching the timer tick to zero before I could land a spell. He always thought it was funny. I switched trinkets 
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August 14, 2008, 01:45 PM
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Gallrock 80 Orc Warlock Galakrond US PvE PvP Guild: Born of Ashes Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Pure evil?
I leveled my paladin as prot, and play holy in endgame, and I was/am both sides of that. You pull it, you tank it, and if your crazy on agro, you can die. The tank always gets heals first, I don't want to hear complaints that you die after pulling agro for the umpteinth time while I'm trying to keep the tank alive. Way I see it, either you die like a scrub, or we all die. My biggest problem with 5mans as a tank though, was the impatient people. I was mid marking, and some mages would start the pull with pyro blasts, and then wonder why I can't get agro before they are pummeled to death. One time I remember seeing a mage casting pyro blast, while I was eating/drinking from half death, and then doing ABSOLUTLY NOTHING and letting him die. 
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