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Old August 19, 2008, 10:06 AM   #11 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

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Death Knights need plate because unlike Warlocks they're not snivelling wimps hiding behind a Soul Link to stop them from dying, and unlike Warlocks have the physical development to actually carry a weapon larger than an apple-corer? (and traditionally a Demonic Pact requires some manner of sacrifice on the part of the holder....Death Knights TAKE what they want without bargains...)

Nah, whatever friendly bickering there might be, I will be re-rolling. I've never really felt fully at home with my Warlock which is probably due to it still having around 50% of the /played time I have on my Rogue and I've always prefered a more visceral style of play......You know what else? I actually need a new challenge. Being able to tank effectively and dish out outstanding melee DPS are primary reasons for the change - its another aspect of the game I haven't explored fully and to keep things interesting I need to change things around slightly.

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And if you get chance...play the instanced starting quests in Wrath of the Lich King. Warlocks might be bad, but Death Knights are plain evil.
Theleb I'm sorry but I've got to ask man. Why moderate on a site for a class you really disdain? You can say your only joking but I've felt your dislike for locks in other posts, this one just confirms it for me. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything I'm just curious.
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Old August 19, 2008, 10:43 AM   #12 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

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Anyway, I think under lore Death Knights are technically our foot soldiers. We should command an army of them!
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Old August 19, 2008, 12:48 PM   #13 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

Now hold on a second. While Deathknights might look all hardcore evil, I don't think that works. I haven't been paying attention to the lore side of this (mostly because I think they threw it out the window) but these are people who were FORCED to do evil for the Lich King. Only they broke away, for whatever reason, and are now fighting back.

Whereas, if you follow lore, we power hungry bastards CHOSE to be evil. We dove into the dark arts, fully understanding the implications, and making a conscience decision of it.

Warlock = Evil by Choice
Deathknight = Evil by Accident

I wouldn't kill Illidan because he's bad, I'd kill him because his demon-hating self makes him a threat to my rise to power. I wouldn't knock off Arthas because he commands the scourge. I'd do it to create a power vacuum that I could potentially gain from.
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Old August 19, 2008, 12:52 PM   #14 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

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Theleb I'm sorry but I've got to ask man. Why moderate on a site for a class you really disdain? You can say your only joking but I've felt your dislike for locks in other posts, this one just confirms it for me. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything I'm just curious.
If I hated locks that much I wouldn't be raiding SWP with one You've made an incorrect assumption and thats all there is to it - What you clearly missed was that I prefer melee classes and will be re-rolling in Wrath of the Lich King.

What I do dislike about 'locks is the endless parade of total numbskulls i see in BG's who can't do anything apart from DoT/Drain, and the hordes jumping onto the 21/40 bandwagon without actually understanding their class. You know why I sometimes post from an anti-lock Pov? Its because nearly every single thread fails to examine that perspective and I know for a fact that playing Devil's Advocate helps people really understand their class - because they start to use their brain instead of relentlessly buying the hype.

Akasha's main is a hunter, I play a load of different alts, Malty does the same - that doesn't mean we hate locks...it just gives us a different perspective.
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Old August 19, 2008, 12:59 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

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Now hold on a second. While Deathknights might look all hardcore evil, I don't think that works. I haven't been paying attention to the lore side of this (mostly because I think they threw it out the window) but these are people who were FORCED to do evil for the Lich King. Only they broke away, for whatever reason, and are now fighting back.

Whereas, if you follow lore, we power hungry bastards CHOSE to be evil. We dove into the dark arts, fully understanding the implications, and making a conscience decision of it.

Warlock = Evil by Choice
Deathknight = Evil by Accident

I wouldn't kill Illidan because he's bad, I'd kill him because his demon-hating self makes him a threat to my rise to power. I wouldn't knock off Arthas because he commands the scourge. I'd do it to create a power vacuum that I could potentially gain from.
Deathknights aren't always made against their will. Many choose to be evil as well. Take Arthas for example. His mind was slowly warped into thinking as he now does. On one hand, you could say he was forced into thinking that way because the Lich King had his claws in him through Frostmourne, however, On another hand nobody was pointing a gun at the back of his head making him do it, he sought out frostmourne on his own to accomplish those deeds.

The lore side of things for Death Knights is explained in the very first bit of opening quests as you learn to play the character. it explains why the Death Knights no longer are pawns of the Lich King and why the side with the horde/alliance. It is a choice they make.

The way I see it, they're evil, surely, but it is a different sort of evil from Warlocks. I believe there is room for two dark classes in this game.
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Old August 19, 2008, 12:59 PM   #16 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

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Whereas, if you follow lore, we power hungry bastards CHOSE to be evil. We dove into the dark arts, fully understanding the implications, and making a conscience decision of it.

Warlock = Evil by Choice
Deathknight = Evil by Accident
Now define evil. Is it making demonic pacts and using Shadow Magic? Is it slaughtering innocents (even if coerced) and spreading Disease (via Shadow Magic...Ironically...). Is it something apart from the actions of the individual concerning the powers they utilise, or is it something entirely different?

The Death Knights now work for the alliance and the horde....because....actually I won't spoil it but while initially they're working for "good" they employ evil ends and I bet there's a healthy percentage of them who would happily infect their own mothers in order to clambour over Arthras' corpse and do it properly.

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I wouldn't kill Illidan because he's bad, I'd kill him because his demon-hating self makes him a threat to my rise to power. I wouldn't knock off Arthas because he commands the scourge. I'd do it to create a power vacuum that I could potentially gain from.
Which of course applies to both and isn't anything close to my definition of evil - it does however satisfy a certain "hungry for power" perspective....all of which proves nothing except people can, and will argue opposing points of view without ever coming to any sort of agreement

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The lore side of things for Death Knights is explained in the very first bit of opening quests as you learn to play the character. it explains why the Death Knights no longer are pawns of the Lich King and why the side with the horde/alliance. It is a choice they make.

The way I see it, they're evil, surely, but it is a different sort of evil from Warlocks. I believe there is room for two dark classes in this game.
Works for me and doesn't give too much away. There's...the diet coke of Evil...and there's the non-pepperonni pizza of evil. Or something ^^
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Old August 19, 2008, 05:52 PM   #17 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

I get the terrible feeling Death-Noobs will be the new Huntards :D

I quite like the idea really. Evil Warlords have always been cool. Death-Knights are 'A Good Thing' in my book. But I'm not rolling one. It's more 'lock action or Guild Wars for me, haven't quite decided.
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Old August 19, 2008, 07:36 PM   #18 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

Whatever you say Lich King is the creation of a demon by torturing a shaman. Followed by the merging with a human Paladin you can see the lameness of DK's heritage Now remember that locks have the power to command demons and worship the true lords of darkness...

(Since you will probably not get my tone due to written speech, yes i am mostly joking. But it all gets down to that right? Who is the strongest DK? The demon that created him must be a badass right? Theoretically there must be a badass lock out there that can bend that demon to his will... Tada i just created expansion number 3 )
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Old August 20, 2008, 02:05 AM   #19 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

Sargeras was this badass demon that made the Lich King, Ner'zhul, am I right? So in world of warcraft by the general public's view. A warlock is a master of demons and shadow and of course spamming fear. Doesn't that make Sargeras a warlock? So Warlocks created the Death Knights! xD
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Old August 20, 2008, 02:52 AM   #20 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

Blah blah blah i'm putting a huge target on my head by saying this on a warlock site but in my oppinion...which matters very little to very few people lol Warlocks are good true evil but death knights are evil in it's truest form the ability to raise the dead to serve your own ends the massive intimidation of one before he reaves your skull in half with a giant axe or sword not to mention...well i won't spoil the plot of the whole switching to horde and ally instead of sticking with arthas...well all i'll say is it's one of revenge so they're not just switching to a good side.Death knights may wear plate but their in no way hiding locks would switch to plate given the chance and don't start whole oh i would not speaches cause no matter what you say you really would and when your going in hand to hand combat it only makes sense to wear plate it'd be stupid for a lock to rush into hand to hand combat since their cloth armor would soon doom them but locks are designed spellcasters not a melee class unlike the deathknight who also relies on their melee ability as well as their runic abilitys the deathknight is blizz latest and from the looks of things most proudest creation so i dought they will be hit to hard by the nerf bat or become deathnoobs as it would be stupid for blizz to do that to our first hero class hmm what else...lets see raise undead covered it...sheer awesomeness covered it...oh and not to mention the ability to spead disease and plauge across the lands causeing a whole new arsenal of suffering and misery to our enemys they broke away from their master so i dought they would accept another warlock master.Once again the sheer awesomeness i probably will save the starting gear for sentimental reasons aswell as it's coolness in looks the first few starting quests you'll feel more evil than you ever did on your lock no i sadly don't have a opt-in key but i have been watching almost eveyvideo on youtube about death knights with my favorites so far tales of a deathknight...hmm ok we get cool rideing mounts except for the flying skelechicken that one kinda sucks so we wouldn't have to worry about not getting our "free mounts" the awsome spells if anyones seen that video of a unholy specced deathknight takeing out multiple mobs at once not only awesome visially but also damage wise hmm thats it for now theirs my oppinion you go your own way but thats how i feel about it (see's red moveing dot on forhead and ducks behind wall)
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