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Old August 20, 2008, 12:07 PM   #31 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

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Anti magic shield only absorbs so much damage while in it, does not stop fear that I know of, so we just fear them out, its stationary. They also cant eat dots, their Diseases remove heal over time effects *npc in the starting area fights a druid to explain it* and their resistances are just like pallies and I have no problems with pallies usually on my lock, its a aura. And I dont remember seeing a a Silence.
There is an interrupt, there's a trinket (yes yes, we all get those) and if you read what I wrote...I was talking about locks eating MY DoTs (some of which are shadow so yes, Shadow Ward...some aren't however) and their resistances aren't like Paladins. Yep, the Anti Magic Shell is stationary - thats correct.

I'm just on a colossal anti lock trip aren't I? Or are people taking this thread entirely TOO serioulsy?

Its a game, there's a class I'm excited about playing and I will enter into good-spirited bickering with anyone because thats the nature of Wow....if people think that I'm serious then really guys, calm down.

Couple of interesting abilities come to mind for fighting Warlocks but I'll admit, having such high natural stamina, as well as soul link, and CC will make them rather hard to beat.

Spell Deflection - Wowhead Search
Mind Freeze - Spell - World of Warcraft
Acclimation - Wowhead Search
Icy Touch also reduces cast speed, and Death Grip is another ability which is multi-purpose. As you can't cast certain spells while moving then you can use it as another interrupt.

Which of course makes sense as DK's are (or were at least) touted as the anti-magic tanks.

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Club Baby Seal is a new level 80 lock ability. It is trainer learned along with Summon Baby Seal.
I think (and I can't remember where I saw it) there's an achievement for killing 1 million of a certain type of mob. It may have been a deliberate blooper, but I'm sure someone confirmed it...thats right up there with baby seals!!

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The actions that someone takes while being that class may or may not be evil. Now, having said that, I also remember reading in some DnD book (yes yes, hit me with the geek bat) that there are some spells that are, by their nature, just plain evil because they can serve no purpose that isn't evil. I don't think that's necessarily the case with Death Knights.
Thats the really interesting point for me. I could have a whole thread just on that discussion and never let it touch Wow other than tangentially.

If people will forgive some off-topic meandering does anyone else who played AD&D remember a couple of hardcover books that were released in 2002? I'm talking about the Book of Vile Darkness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and the Book of Exalted Deeds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

There are also a couple of other supplements that I could mention such as Wraith: Charnell Houses of Europe and any of the Black Dog games stupio's work with White Wolf BUT it would be a major topic derailment if I went further offtopic. I'm loath to start a discussion on it (and therefore won't be doing so) because its a very sensitive subject for some people - suffice to say the hero/antihero and good/evil discussions have taken up some very interesting RPG sessions in the past.
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Old August 20, 2008, 12:15 PM   #32 (permalink)

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Carperidon
70 Undead Warlock
Emerald Dream Euro PvE
Guild: Nocturnal Fear
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Talent Spec: 0/21/40
Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

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So its ok to belittle DK's but the reverse isn't true? Ok, I never knew the masters of Evil were so sensitive.....

Yeah, if they can get through the anti-magic shell, Magic Deflection, Silences and resistances while eating my DoTs and serious 2H damage I'm sure they might

(This is of course all rather tounge-in-cheek given that its a PC game at the end of the day ^^ Anything that thinks for one minute that I'm seriously denigrating warlocks is under a misapprehension as stated previously)
I clarified in my second post i actually respect the crap out of DK's heritage. All of it. I was only being funny and witty on my first post.

It remains to be seen if a lock can kill a DK but i wouldn't feel all so mighty if i were you Time will tell of course, just remember us old locks might get an ace under the sleeve after design for expansion is final.

Tongue-in-cheek indeed, nothing i say (or you say i bet) is meant in an ill mannered way. Just light conversation while we both wait sharpening the weapons. You your serious 2 hand and me my demon teeth
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Old August 20, 2008, 12:26 PM   #33 (permalink)

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Kel'thuzad US PvP
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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

I think dks are simply evil/dark palidans.
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Old August 20, 2008, 12:40 PM   #34 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

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I clarified in my second post i actually respect the crap out of DK's heritage. All of it. I was only being funny and witty on my first post.

It remains to be seen if a lock can kill a DK but i wouldn't feel all so mighty if i were you Time will tell of course, just remember us old locks might get an ace under the sleeve after design for expansion is final.

Tongue-in-cheek indeed, nothing i say (or you say i bet) is meant in an ill mannered way. Just light conversation while we both wait sharpening the weapons. You your serious 2 hand and me my demon teeth
*huggle*

Here's the thing...I expect to get beaten by locks. PvP isn't balanced around 1 on 1 and if a class I've put so much time into myself beats my DK then I shall probably still have a wry grin on my face

As it happens the only PvP vids I have seen with a Lock/DK duel had the lock winning every time..but..

He was in S3/S4 gear and the DK was in whatever they managed to cobble together. It'll be interesting to see what equal gear does to the equation.

Did I mention Unholy DK's can effectively "Curse of Elements" a mob so that the Warlocks can go full out with dps?
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Old August 21, 2008, 11:00 PM   #35 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

ok i realize i screwed up on my last post here i apologize i'm still new to the whole forum thing and got on a rant there next time i'll try to make sure to put things in paragraphs sorry guys BAD Necros BAD!
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Old August 22, 2008, 07:35 AM   #36 (permalink)

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thunderhorn Euro PvE
Guild: Rise
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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

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I think dks are simply evil/dark palidans.
There's a lot of this "anti paladin" talk. But paladins have a cleanse type spell they never use which is like a debuff remove over time. I can imagine paladins being the anti DK really. Disease? Removed. Try again? Removed. Again? Blol. removed. Summon undead? turn/exorcism.

Now the way to see it as that rogues anti classes tend to wear plate, infact in most cases a good rogue will flatten non plate wearers but suffer when faced by an armoured melee class. And all those diseases. While locks pwn the crap out of paladins who as far as I can tell will shaft deathknights? This should be about lo.. erm.. mutual cooperation to further both parties ends.

DK/lock 2v2 anyone?
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Old August 24, 2008, 07:53 PM   #37 (permalink)

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70 Human Warlock
Defias Brotherhood Euro RP PvP
Guild: The Tempered Sun
Talent Spec: 0/20/41
Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

Uhm, hello?

I am surprised no one said this yet but.

To hurt our enemies REALLY badly. we tend to;

A
1; Summon a virgin from her home.

2; Sacrifice her.

3; Use her power to shoot bolts of pure shadow at our enemies, while cursing them. And we do so over 20-40 times on certain so called ''Nights of Progression''


B
1; Summon a small harmless creature

2; Corrupt, curse, shoot bolts of pure shadow and burn our enemies.

3; Use the power from the harmless creature to continue doing so!


C
1; Summon a mighty Warrior from another world.

2; Enslave him and link our souls together, so he will hear our most vile and evil thoughts.

3; Use him to get the beatings instead of us, and just call him back again after he got slaughtered and put him through the same torture.

To accomplish all of this, we also need to steal alot of souls from civillians.

Thats very evil.



What do death knights do?

They bring the dead back to life...

Come on!! Thats not EVIL, thats NICE!

They also inflict diseases, thats just GROSS and when there done they chop away, thats BARBARIC.


So, Warlocks are EVIL

Death Knights are WIERD ;D

..'tis that simple.
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Old August 24, 2008, 08:17 PM   #38 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

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1; Summon a virgin from her home.
I'd question that definition to be honest, its a SUCCUBUS - it SEDUCES....I'd say its quite experienced

For the rest...well, lets just say that until we get a really good definition of what constitutes evil (Summoning a Warrior Demon to...well....do what it enjoys doing?) I'll still say that based on my own PoV, its Evil A vs Evil B.
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Old August 24, 2008, 09:56 PM   #39 (permalink)

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Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

before i start i whant to clear something up, arthus wasn't the first death knight, not by a long way. i think the first death knights were, like arthus, paladins who in their quest to cleanse the world ended up slaughtering innocent people believing them to be impure. i am not sure about that bit and i would like someone to help with that but the part about arthus not being the first is definatly right.

i like the idea of a death knight and i dont see them as threat to warlocks.
warlocks are the ones who control demonic powers and bring forth the powers of hell, engulfing someone in flames ect.
death knights folow more a path of necromantic magic, along with their frost magic they seem a completely difrent kind of evil.
wow isn't as simple as good vs evil as has been made clear many times.
to a someone new to wow the horde would seem evil and the alliance good but anyone who has played the game for a while knows this isn't true

i am looking forrward to seeing how the death knight fits into the rest of the game and i will be rolling one at least as an alt.
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Old August 25, 2008, 12:57 AM   #40 (permalink)

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Crushridge US PvP
Talent Spec: 5/6/50
Re: Will we still be the TRUE masters of evil?

its ok we will still be the evil doers.
priest & pally. lock & DK
good evil
it works out for priests?
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