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September 29, 2008, 01:38 PM
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Icklespud 70 Gnome Warlock wildhammer Euro PvE |
how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
argh.... just tried most specs I can think of on ptr server, against target dummies and in heroics. Caveats: I know...they might balance classes a bit dps wise....I'm only level 70 ofc....I've got shadow damage enchant on main weapon.....and I've only been fiddling with new talent trees for 6 hours so far. But...we seem quite broken. Fire destro dps is awful, truly awful atm...and the rotation is just not fun whatever version you choose: CoE, Corruption (to get molten core proc), Immolate, Chaos Bolt (mobs in heriocs are dead at this stage ofc if you've got newly scary boomkin or pally in there), incinerate incinerate incinerate (with an imp attack to be mixed in there)...and after all that I generate 20% less damage/fun than SB Spam destro. If I'm working that hard I'd like to generate some decent results pls blizz. Affliction. much more fun than fire when grinding trash, and nice dps on bosses (equivalent to SB Spam atm) but we've got no real way of doing nice damage on trash (ok ok...raids...not so crucial, but in heroics? locks will be judged on overall damage more often than judged - and hence re-invited - on boss fights in heroics) one of our top tier talents will be an utter liability : Everlasting affliction proccing on aggro reset bosses wlll get us killed a lot. So we're going to have to spam incinerate I guess for certain sections of fights and won't be able to use soul drain (affliction having no points in increased fire damage...seems odd...we have no efficient way of doing damage when we can't use dots) Demonology. Dps was better than fire (25% crit, 1400 shadow damage) with a couple of nice buffs up constantly and demon hits/crits *seemed* to replinish lock's health nicely (and vice versa). If I wanted to be bound to using a pet at all times though, I'd roll a hunter where I have some control (now) over what kind of role I want it to take/how well it survives. (pet health talent is way out of reach of deep destro build, and imp is still squishy) Anyway upshot is, I didn't even have the courage to volunteer for ptr ZA runs (and I love ZA) because ....just yuk...I didn't want to play my newly talented lock in any raid. I responded to DK rolling thread before this ptr experience ("no hurry" to roll a DK). I may yet change my mind on that. and in the meantime; I'm going to cherish SB spam whilst it still works. I checked on public channels and most locks seemed to be thinking along same lines on the ptr. Any thoughts? Are we broken? what should blizz do to fix us? *I know...we've prob all heard it before....soz for any repetition but I was just really appauled by fire destro experience |
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September 29, 2008, 01:44 PM
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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
Ironically thats in direct contrast to people who've done 3700 dps as 0/3/58 and said that Fire Destro is in fact "The Daddy".... Mileage and experiences may differ of course, there might be a gear contribution to consider, as well as group makeup and personal consumables...but honestly - there's more balancing to come and I really wouldn't worry just yet - all the data I've seen still puts Warlocks at the top.
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September 29, 2008, 02:33 PM
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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
I've had a similar experiance with the ptr talents. i couldnt get more than about 1000 dps out of destro.. recent nerfs to imp imp and emberstorm really take it out of competition with the other two ATM. Affliction could hit around 1500 dps unbuffed for me, but damage on trash was painful Demonology came in second for unbuffed dps at around 1200, but was much faster on the trash. Some new DPS classes are over the top, hopefully these things do get balanced before 3.0.2 gets released.. |
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September 29, 2008, 03:30 PM
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Icklespud 70 Gnome Warlock wildhammer Euro PvE |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
Both reassuring  I got similar figures to Vaevicitis on ptr but nice to hear there's light at end of rainbow too from Theleb. I've calmed down a bit at least afflcition is viable and locks will live for ever if they keep haunt at 200% health return. Maybe we'll be affliction until we get sunwell type gear? still...tiny sigh and a fond wave to trash killing dps (for now, at least). |
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September 29, 2008, 03:33 PM
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Mahri 80 Gnome Warlock Muradin US PvE Guild: is being repressed Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/31/40 |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
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I have the 4 setbonus from T6, I have done all specs and we cleared ZA with 14 min left on timer for 4 chest. (yai for 2 ret pallies?) No doubt you can see 3700dps if you get one crit off, and thats it, but sustain more than 2k fully buffed for 15 minutes is almost impossible regardless of spec at my gearlvl. But the way to go for pve is obviously fire. If they buff shadow more no one would be able to kill a lock in pvp. Edit: Locks are broken way beoynd fun in PVE atm, so we can only hope they fix it before it goes live - or I will retire my lock. But since locks are the most fun class to play I wish they fix it. It doesnt matter if it gets harder to play it - I just want the class fixed. Last edited by Mahri; September 29, 2008 at 03:37 PM.. |
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September 29, 2008, 03:36 PM
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Heartsalive 70 Human Warlock Thunderhorn Euro PvE Guild: Ultra Cohesion Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
And you still have to remember that it's just PTR and NOTHING there is final for certain.
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September 29, 2008, 03:39 PM
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Mahri 80 Gnome Warlock Muradin US PvE Guild: is being repressed Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/31/40 |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
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September 29, 2008, 04:32 PM
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Kiralyn 80 Human Warlock Mal'Ganis US PvP Guild: Self Titled Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0.13.58 |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
I could say the opposite. I hate that I waited this long to get on the PTR. I'd rather be able to play with specs now, so I have some idea of what the changes are doing to balance. It's all well and good to read patch notes, but with no baseline to work off of, it's virtually impossible to know what the changes are doing. And on top of it all, I'm can't find hard numbers. Anecdotal 'destro sucks now' comments don't do anyone any good without backup, likewise for the people claiming over 2k sustained dps. Is anyone at all out there testing DPS and actually documenting what they are doing?
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September 29, 2008, 05:06 PM
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Soulzar 70 Human Warlock Medivh US PvE Guild: Trismegistus Profile: Talent Spec: Destro |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
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Also for the poster calling BS on the 3.7kdps here is probably what was being referenced from a post I made on LAST ptr build with a spec I was trying. the ISB nerf did drop that rotations dps down a fair bit, and I did experience a higher than normal crit rate during that run but leveld off at 3k dps before lack of life to tap caused to much downtime to maintain it. But this is the PTR, what is true one build is not always the next. After much testing on the current ptr build, I have found this rotation with a similar spec still produces the best output. The only build that came close to this one was pure fire/backdraf/chaos bolt using corruption to proc Molten Core. I get around 2k - 2.4k before lack of life to tap properly slows my chain casting to much to maintain it. This was without being grouped. Many many things will change when they fix backdraft to be a haste. |
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September 29, 2008, 05:15 PM
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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
Mahri - Soul was EXACTLY the person I was referrencing. I suggest you wind your neck in and keep those comments for the official forums.
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