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September 29, 2008, 05:31 PM
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tŕst 80 Undead Warlock Kel'thuzad US PvP Guild: Optimus Prime Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/40/31 |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
Soulz in your 2nd build titled " a similiar spec" you opted not to put 3 points in backlash? Why not take the 3% spell crit? |
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September 29, 2008, 05:34 PM
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Kiralyn 80 Human Warlock Mal'Ganis US PvP Guild: Self Titled Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0.13.58 |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
Sorry soul, for all the watching I've been doing on these threads I missed that post. <-- fails at trolling I'll move this discussion back to the other thread.
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September 29, 2008, 05:37 PM
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Soulzar 70 Human Warlock Medivh US PvE Guild: Trismegistus Profile: Talent Spec: Destro |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
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Sadly it looks like we may need to give up some "nice to have" talents at 70 to get all the must have ones. Fire and brimstone will be much more powerful once the bug to conflag is fixed (not benefiting from ruin, huge dps loss), so its a constant shift of points each build to find whats workin and whats not lol. Last edited by Soulzar; September 29, 2008 at 05:48 PM.. |
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September 29, 2008, 05:39 PM
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Torlon 70 Undead Warlock Spirestone US PvP Guild: Red Light District Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
Thanks to RaF program, my rogue is 60 in just a bit over a weeks time, now to hit 70 before WotK comes out. Sorry, after what happend to me in EQ, now this game. I just cant stand by while Blizzard does to my warlock like what Verant Interactive did to my hard work on my Necromancer, happen again. Like in EQ , after the first 5 years of constant nerfs (class balancing), i rolled my second favorite class, which became my fav, my rogue. Granted now that Sony took over, they've reversed most of the nerfs, but the damage was already done to my time and hard work. Now dont get me wrong, Ive loved my warlock, and It's not that Warlocks are broken, it's just that they've changed them in a way that was not what i signed up for long ago. Like in EQ, where necro's were advertised at the beginning of the game to be the pet & dot masters, great at kiting, but it's going to be a long hard road with factions etc, they over time slowly slid down to the charts to Dont become a Necromancer unless you want to end up being invited just as a "mana" battery, last in pets, last in dots, not much else to offer. I guess it's because like in most games, the developers know where they want the main melee classes (tanks and rogues) and the main spell casters (mages and priests) to be in the end. it's the easiest to plan out I imagine. It's the Hybrids that cause alot of trouble, or have constant balance issues...well guess Except for druids which were way overlooked in most of the games ive played. Maybe its' the stigmata that druids are nature lovers so it's ok. So at this point, my Warlock is going to take a back seat, perhaps i'll level him to 80 once ive done my rogue. Unless Bliz changes thier minds about some of the changes. If i wanted to sling fire, i would of rolled a mage imo. Affliction is fine imo, but I perfer destro for raids and heroics. I leveled I think Afflic, then demo in outland, then to destro. Ive been switching back and forth between afflic for BG's, and destro for raids..alot of cash.. So i pray that they bring some of it back, but until then I'll enjoy the time not having to farm shards, and having one spec that does good pvp and raids. Peace. |
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September 29, 2008, 06:00 PM
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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
Before the mage-izing of the lock, they were never good on trash. I'm hoping the lock is going back to what it is supposed to be, mostly an affliction build. But, if the affliction build cannot do damage during the most important parts of a raid (not clearing trash), they will never get into raids because they don't do enough dps when it is needed, and don't really bring enough utility skills. Remember when locks were needed just for healthstones? Now you only need one. Balancing the lock with the game is going to be Blizz's challenge, not balancing it against other chars. |
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September 29, 2008, 06:17 PM
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Kiralyn 80 Human Warlock Mal'Ganis US PvP Guild: Self Titled Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0.13.58 |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
And everyone has it in their heads that throwing fire is a mage thing... When I first rolled my warlock I was in love with the destruction tree. Ruin was an amazing talent, and I loved the air of power that Demonic Sacrifice brought. I still get laughs in raids when I summon and sac a Succy. The one thing that was ALWAYS missing in my mind was a fire-based nuke. Searing Pain was unusable in raids, so it was shadowbolt spam for me. Then The Burning Crusade rolled out, and not only did we get Incinerate, but it came with synergy! I was a strit fire destro 'lock all through Kara, because I wasn't losing anything to ISB, and rolling Immo/Incin was more fun than straight Shadow Bolt spam. Like everyone else, when I hit 25s I made the change back to shadow destro. It's king on the meters and benefits the raid. There isn't a choice. For me personally the move to making destruction viable as fire is a HUGE gain. I love the idea that I'll be able to work up a fire rotation that uses a few different spells in ways that work well together and require some level of brain activity to play well. We have to accept that there will always be one spec that beats all others in damage at a certain gear level. That's the way the game works. If affliction stays competitive in Wrath, then we'll be able to make a decision as to how we want to spec without feeling that we don't contribute as much as we should. And really, how can you prefer destruction as it is now, and complain about the change to fire? I can macro chain-casting Shadow Bolts and tapping and do 95% of the DPS I can do while activly trying to maximize what I'm doing. If watching TV and spamming is what you want to do that's fine, but I'd be very suprised if the majority of destro 'locks agree that making our damage require an active player is a bad thing.
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September 29, 2008, 06:56 PM
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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
I agree with the sentiment. Fire slinging is not magery, slinging one main nuke and maybe one debuff is magery. Locks are complex rotations with DoTs, cooldown managing and good results balanced around people not quite getting it perfect. Shadowbolt spam is more mage than keeping a target burning while provoking the fire with your magics, and while it burns agonisingly, diseases and curses make it weaker, while your pet savages it and explosions of fire and brimstone blast bits off your doomed foe. Throwing lumps of shadow does not match the mystique of fire destro in 3.0, or affliction, or demo in any of their incarnations. |
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September 29, 2008, 07:45 PM
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Warpy 80 Human Warlock Kul Tiras US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18 |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
How are people measuring DPS on the test realm? WoW Webstats won't take my combat log and I haven't found a Wrath of the Lich King-compatible damage meter on WowInterface. 
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September 29, 2008, 07:54 PM
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Icklespud 70 Gnome Warlock wildhammer Euro PvE |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
Preface: I'm a gnome  means I'm allowed to be fickle and sometimes I can get away with pulling aggro....erm....dunno how but it works. After starting the thread, I've just been through kara as SB spam, and ...erm...here's the fickle bit....I was actually rather bored. I found myself wishing for a little bit of haunt here, and a little bit of UA there with maybe a tiny bit of proc spotting in between. Fire still sucks on ptr with my gear (basically full badge + sexy vodoo hood) and I'm going nowhere near it until I'm more imba; my rotations might not have been perfect (highly unlikely in fact) but basically you've got to cast immolate and corruption early...so the rotation will remain complex and results were awful. But I am looking forward to trying affliction again gnome. fickle. all my gnomer relatives were irradiated at birth. what can I do? that's got to leave a scar. yay for affliction in the next patch. re measuring, I copied recount folder across and it worked fine. |
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September 29, 2008, 08:20 PM
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Torlon 70 Undead Warlock Spirestone US PvP Guild: Red Light District Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)
I was just trying to say, that pre-destro at which id never thought id ever go destro (from my stand point at that time, affliction WAS what a warlock was about IMO) desease, curses, and pets. Then came raids, I switched builds, and gear. At that point, with either the guild or pug's, I was #1 or two on the damage charts, afflic members usualy 4 or below. I even tried afflic a few times, just couldnt reproduce my dps. So at that point i understood I was a SB slinger for max dps. I would come to a raid, roll my face across my SB button and everybody got lewts, much rejoicing afterwords. I tried Fire spec, granted mana effiecient, just not the same dps, and besides as my point earlier...we had mages using fire, I didnt want to "seem" like a mage even if it was just a spell, by that stand point alone. So shadow it was. pure and simple. toss a dot ad hoc, but otherwise bolt bolt bolt of pure dark magic, fine by me. Im just saying in a game of rehashed mobs, rehashed quests, rehashed spells, rehashed loots, etc, why would I want my destro to even start slinging ice, or fire for that matter. i wouldnt. Now if afflic becomes the new destro..well Im sold, count me in..cause like i said, I love my warlock  . Just not particularly happy with the way I'm being steered thats all. Besides, just personal preference I like the extra challenge of keeping all dots rotated, etc. It keeps me alert and more awake during the long raid. I would LOVE for afflict to be up there in terms of dps as my current SB spammer.When i first saw the WotK talents I was ...fire?..huh?? IMO get rid of fire all together and put in different versions of SB's..blood red ones, green ones, etc... well I guess it dont really matter about the rogue, ive been playing only one charecter since the dawn of time, I guess it's just that time to have an alt anyway or finally by my friends standard. It's crazy how much stuff you can do on just one warlock... |
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