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Old October 03, 2008, 06:14 PM   #61 (permalink)

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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)

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I am still focusing on testing rotations using shadowbolt and abusing the current way ISB is maintaining the bonus damage to dots after it fades. I was averaging 50-60% crit without backlash due to Emp imp, so saw that as a good spot to steal points out of since the scondary effect of backlash isnt a PvE talent per say. The 3% crit hasnt seemed to be very noticible of a loss

Sadly it looks like we may need to give up some "nice to have" talents at 70 to get all the must have ones.

Fire and brimstone will be much more powerful once the bug to conflag is fixed (not benefiting from ruin, huge dps loss), so its a constant shift of points each build to find whats workin and whats not lol.

soulzar what mods do you use bro? and what mod is that one in the video showing you choas ready now! etc
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Old October 03, 2008, 06:34 PM   #62 (permalink)

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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)

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soulzar what mods do you use bro? and what mod is that one in the video showing you choas ready now! etc
The UI that I use is a slightly modified (only for where I like my meters and grid) version of Maelos UI which was created by a user here at the Den. Unsure if he is still around but I hope so since its completely broken on the PTR (as you can see in my vid, most mods are disabled) and will need updating :P

The mod that is flashing my cooldown is called Mik's Scrolling Battle Text
which is a fancy mod with some neat features like spam filter for your damage to combine AoE to show up as a single number of all combined hits in a given time frame. Instead of seeing 7 2k hits for seed I see a 14k seed hit instead.
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Old October 04, 2008, 06:36 AM   #63 (permalink)

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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)

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Yea i been seeing fire spec is teh way to go.. You talke about 3700dps what spell rotation are they using?
That was a couple of builds ago and the DPS has dropped somewhat. DL Soul's video and check his rotation - he details it quite meticulously.

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Oh, you found it
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Old October 04, 2008, 09:01 AM   #64 (permalink)

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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)

Thanks for all thoughts people; patch release feels close, so I guess we're lumbered as is now.

It's looking better than I thought though. (I've been looking at other class forums and most are QQing about something; and when blizz don't communicate it's natural to assume they're not listening...but I don't think that's the case...I don't think they've actually set out to nerf us into the ground comparitive to others)

Affliction seems quite viable and flexible (apart from on low hp trash in OP party ofc, np, was always thus). If ISB really really won't ever buff dots (strongly implied in recent blue related to bug report on mmo, i haven't tested it) then 5-10 (ie pre ruin) talent points to be spent in destro will be a slight waste...but otherwise affliction seems ok (and as mentioned, the most "unique" spec for a lock - multiple big damage dots)

Destro is a ridiculously challenging rotation (imo) but it's nice to have a challenge I guess (will be interesting to see how afflic/destro dps figures pan out over time/gear) and blizz have just buffed it's dps. If destro edges affliction on dps by half a percent (with crazy robot fingered olympic athelete behind keyboard) then that would prob be fair.

None of the trees are spot on prefect non waistful of talent points, but Demonology seems the wierdest tree....may well - as some good posts commented - provide some really useful boons to parties (even a bit of heroic tanking...that would be valuable if reliable...the most reliable form of cc is a tank) and nice panic/pvp I win button, but the dps is so much below other trees (it seems) that I wonder how many people will spec it.

It is a bit odd how they killed a whole style of play (SB Spam), feels intrusive, but it's their game I guess. (but by god they didn't half kill it, again and again, and then some more) and OOM is going to be a problem.
I've got a horrible feeling that mages will beat us (affliction or destro) in heroics but I guess we'll get used to treasuring boss fight stats.

And now...enough complaining from me...I'm off to find something fun to do (hmmm...how much spirit did those mage badge robes have...let me see....)
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Old October 05, 2008, 02:07 AM   #65 (permalink)

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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)

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The UI that I use is a slightly modified (only for where I like my meters and grid) version of Maelos UI which was created by a user here at the Den. Unsure if he is still around but I hope so since its completely broken on the PTR (as you can see in my vid, most mods are disabled) and will need updating :P

The mod that is flashing my cooldown is called Mik's Scrolling Battle Text
which is a fancy mod with some neat features like spam filter for your damage to combine AoE to show up as a single number of all combined hits in a given time frame. Instead of seeing 7 2k hits for seed I see a 14k seed hit instead.

Thanks for teh help bro.. How do you set it for seed to see all the hits in total instead of seeing 7 2k hits?
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Old October 05, 2008, 03:23 AM   #66 (permalink)

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After much testing on the current ptr build, I have found this rotation with a similar spec still produces the best output. The only build that came close to this one was pure fire/backdraf/chaos bolt using corruption to proc Molten Core. I get around 2k - 2.4k before lack of life to tap properly slows my chain casting to much to maintain it. This was without being grouped.

Many many things will change when they fix backdraft to be a haste.
Did you tried that in the new built? or did you changed your spec again? im t5 geared and it seems im not pulling enough dps with the new built.
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Old October 05, 2008, 04:49 AM   #67 (permalink)

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Thanks for teh help bro.. How do you set it for seed to see all the hits in total instead of seeing 7 2k hits?
Not really the place for that question but it should automatically do that (its in Spam Control).
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Old October 05, 2008, 06:14 AM   #68 (permalink)

Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)

What about 1-1 PvP?

Is Affliction still useless vs melee, weak vs healers?

I can't see te new teleport thing being useful in 1 vs 1 or BGs (except AV which is barely PvP)

If PvP is still broken, and we are unwanted in 5-mans because of the weakness against trash, Wrath of the Lich King is looking *very* unfriendly to non-raider affliction.

Trash: Add a mana inefficient front-loaded instant DoT (preferably use UA for this, as it's useless for me right now , and make DoTs tick instantly instead of waiting 3 seconds.
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Old October 05, 2008, 08:21 AM   #69 (permalink)

Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)

PVP is not balanced around 1vs1

battlegrounds are never balanced

melee eats casters most days

in the end if you die now, you'll die in wrath

why is affliction crap for 5man? heck when do you need to min max 5man? why exactly are the other specs "better" then affliction?

spam bolts or immo / incinerate if you're so concerned about the damage meters for trash in 5man
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Old October 05, 2008, 01:13 PM   #70 (permalink)

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Re: how broken are locks? (extrapolating from ptr)

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Did you tried that in the new built? or did you changed your spec again? im t5 geared and it seems im not pulling enough dps with the new built.
Yeah Corruption just doesnt seem to be doing it for me right now. I am having farily good success with a 2/3/56, using Imp Glyph and Nighfall Glyph (for lack of second Glyph to use as fire )

I have been using Agony almost exclusively to maintain Molten Core. While it is probable that corruption is best cast for an even higher Molten Core uptime as well as it still being better damage per cast time, I found it lowered my damage.. most likely due to errors in the rotations trying to weave it in. As I get better at the roitation I will put more effort towards Corruption, but for now I toss it up at the start to get MC up.

In terms of a cast order, after conflag I use the 3 backdraft charges on Incins before putting Immo back up. If Chaos Bolt is off cooldown it will get priority over an Incin. The way it works out is you will be casting Chaos Bolt every other conflag during backdraft.. and the other times half way through your Immo. It wont be random timing on Chaos Bolts Cooldown and gets easy to follow with practice.

Destro still scales amazingly with raid buffs. I managed to get a few runs in with this build and rotation and was able to easly hit 2800 dps and did peak at 3k once again. Its random, and all balances on your luck with Molten Core Procs..but its not so bad.

Meta and Affliction just could not keep up without ruin.

Sample: Corruption - Agony - Immo - Chaos Bolt - Incin fill - Conflag ..... Incin - Chaos Bolt - Incin - Immo - Agony - (check Molten core proc, if its up keep casting if its not tap life) Incin Fill (Chaos Bolt when Cooldown is up) - Conflag .... Incin - Incin - Incin - Immo .. ect

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