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Old April 13, 2009, 12:58 AM   #11 (permalink)

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Illeandrys
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Frostmourne Oceania PvP
Guild: Loot the Core Hound
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/40/31
Re: 3.1 Patch Changes. How will it affect us Locks?
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it looks like affliction is gettin a nice load off there shoulders with the decrease in dots and inc damage somewhat.. looks like ill be staying affliction with no dual spec
I can't disagree with you more. Affliction damage is going down. On the PTR, Affliction locks lose about 500dps on a dummy, although Affliction still remains one of the highest single-target DPS specs across the board. It wasn't a hard spec to play in the first place once you got the hang of it, so I don't see why people had to complain about complexity and ruin (arguably) the most fun DPS spec for boss fights in the game. You could have specced FG/Emberstorm or rolled a class with a rotation like DK or Mage. On the PTR, the highest personal DPS builds are 0/40/31 Decimate/Conflagrate and 53/0/18 Affliction with a Doomguard. The specs which provide raid buffs are Affliction/Ruin (ISB), Meta/Ruin (ISB, Demonic Pact), and 0/13/58 deep Destro (Replenishment). You need to have over 2800 spellpower when Demonic Pact procs to overwrite Totem of Wrath.

If you want AoE farming, just go with Haunt/SL. It would have been even better in 3.1 if Blizzard hadn't ruined Affliction for PvP, but with Fel Synergy in the first tier it's still great for questing/farming.

I'll personally be dual speccing Decimate/Conflag and an as-yet-undecided PvP build on (probably SL/Chaos Bolt) my Warlock, and PvE and PvP Discipline on my Priest.
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Old April 13, 2009, 01:35 AM   #12 (permalink)

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Blood Elf Warlock
Shadow Council US RP Guild: Stormborn
Re: 3.1 Patch Changes. How will it affect us Locks?
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I can't disagree with you more. Affliction damage is going down. On the PTR, Affliction locks lose about 500dps on a dummy, although Affliction still remains one of the highest single-target DPS specs across the board. It wasn't a hard spec to play in the first place once you got the hang of it, so I don't see why people had to complain about complexity and ruin (arguably) the most fun DPS spec for boss fights in the game. You could have specced FG/Emberstorm or rolled a class with a rotation like DK or Mage. On the PTR, the highest personal DPS builds are 0/40/31 Decimate/Conflagrate and 53/0/18 Affliction with a Doomguard. The specs which provide raid buffs are Affliction/Ruin (ISB), Meta/Ruin (ISB, Demonic Pact), and 0/13/58 deep Destro (Replenishment). You need to have over 2800 spellpower when Demonic Pact procs to overwrite Totem of Wrath.

If you want AoE farming, just go with Haunt/SL. It would have been even better in 3.1 if Blizzard hadn't ruined Affliction for PvP, but with Fel Synergy in the first tier it's still great for questing/farming.

I'll personally be dual speccing Decimate/Conflag and an as-yet-undecided PvP build on (probably SL/Chaos Bolt) my Warlock, and PvE and PvP Discipline on my Priest.
Meh I dont really trust dummy dps as you lose out on execute damage. I still dont think the hybrid builds can match a deep affliction build in boss dps, with or without a doomguard. Until I see it myself, I wont be changing my opinion. Plus dps isnt all that matters in a raid setting, disregarding dps, affliction is one of the best raid builds for warlocks. Haunt, Corruption, and Fel Armor makes them the best mana regen class/build in the game and decreases the burden on the healers while doing it. Throw in Imp SB and its all good. The only thing better is the Meta/Ruin build with >2800 spellpower and Demonic Pact with Imp SB.

It also looks like, at least to me, Haste > Crit. I dont see a build or spec that calls for someone to spec for crit over haste. Sure haste drains our mana faster, but with Glyph of Life Tap coming does it really matter since we get a pretty good buff to our dps and get mana back? So I am probably going to try and stack haste over crit just to see how it goes.
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Old April 13, 2009, 01:48 AM   #13 (permalink)

Re: 3.1 Patch Changes. How will it affect us Locks?
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and inc damage somewhat..
I am not an expert, but what I read is that a 53/0/18 in T8 simulates as doing
479 less DPS than a pre-3.1 lock in only T7. And w/o DG affl is slightly under 0/41/30 and 0/40/31.

But who knows what live will be? My guess is Blizz is hard at work to make it worse.

/sigh

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Old April 13, 2009, 03:08 AM   #14 (permalink)

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Gourdegoule
80 Undead Warlock
Dalaran (français) Euro PvE
Guild: Ombre Phoenix
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Re: 3.1 Patch Changes. How will it affect us Locks?
I will stay deep Demo (Meta/Ruin with Demonic Pact) because :

  • 3.1 obviously will improve the dps of the demo tree on single targets which was lacking till now (great on packs, great for aoe farming, less efficient on bosses in a pve raid environment) with the arrival of Decimation ; plus I just want to see by curiosity how Soulfire will behave, I think I casted that spell four times in my demo carreer :-)
  • I have played a mage 8 years long in Everquest, mages are the main pet class in EQ, and I wish to stay pet-centered (I chosed the demo tree totally for symbolical reasons, as I started my demo I had no clue about talents, talents debate and calculators, raid/pve/pvp builds etc, all those considerations were just chinese to me)
Though I admit I haven't yet tested the build I was thinking of with the 3.1 talent calculator, I have to see if I can, for 56 points, have Demonic Pact + Molten Core + Nemesis + Decimation and still spend 15 points in Destro for the usual ISB/Bane/Ruin combo.
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Old April 13, 2009, 04:41 AM   #15 (permalink)

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Nevariah
80 Undead Warlock
Sisters of Elune US RP Guild: Clique
Talent Spec: 0/56/15
Re: 3.1 Patch Changes. How will it affect us Locks?
I'm with King Crab. I'll be main speccing as Destruction and offspeccing as whatever the highest DPS spec will be for more mobile boss fights where the rotation will be a little more forgiving. Destruction isn't bad for farming, IMO.
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Old April 13, 2009, 04:51 AM   #16 (permalink)

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Sasztam
80 Human Warlock
Dentarg US PvP
Guild: Pure Energy
Talent Spec: 3/13/55
Re: 3.1 Patch Changes. How will it affect us Locks?
Actually, I have a PVP related question. I remember reading that one of their primary aims for this patch was to improve our survivability and pvp effectiveness in general. I have been reading over the patch notes and examining the talent trees, and I can't seem to find any significant improvements. We do have molten skin in destro, but a little extra damage reduction isn't going to help anything and is not the real problem in the first place. Have I overlooked something? I've been wanting to get back into pvp and I figure that crafted blues along with the handful of pvp epics I've landed from VoA runs should be enough to let me perform in bgs, but only if our problems are being addressed.

Any input would be helpful!
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Old April 13, 2009, 04:56 AM   #17 (permalink)

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Hohounknown
80 Troll Priest
Al'Akir Euro PvP
Guild: No Danger
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 14/0/57
Re: 3.1 Patch Changes. How will it affect us Locks?
I'll probably be deep affliction and either 41/30 or deep demo as other spec, both for pve. I love having a decent pet but on some cases it might be a bit hard to keep him alive.
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Old April 13, 2009, 08:00 AM   #18 (permalink)

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Sarix
80 Orc Warlock
Nathrezim US PvP
Talent Spec: 53/1/17
Re: 3.1 Patch Changes. How will it affect us Locks?
Do simulations account for more than a Patchwerk style fight? Most fights have you moving around, Ulduar especially. Affliction's healing may be great, but its biggest strength imo is its mobility.
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Old April 13, 2009, 08:04 AM   #19 (permalink)

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Hohounknown
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Al'Akir Euro PvP
Guild: No Danger
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 14/0/57
Re: 3.1 Patch Changes. How will it affect us Locks?
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Do simulations account for more than a Patchwerk style fight?
Simulationcraft doesn't, I'm not sure if there are any that do.
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Most fights have you moving around, Ulduar especially. Affliction's healing may be great, but its biggest strength imo is its mobility.
No argument there, affliction sure is great for mobility fights compared to most DD nuke specs/classes
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Old April 13, 2009, 09:45 AM   #20 (permalink)

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rooter
80 Human Warlock
Hellscream US PvE
Guild: Ascension
Talent Spec: 56/0/15
Re: 3.1 Patch Changes. How will it affect us Locks?
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I am not an expert, but what I read is that a 53/0/18 in T8 simulates as doing
479 less DPS than a pre-3.1 lock in only T7. And w/o DG affl is slightly under 0/41/30 and 0/40/31.
Maybe the simulations are wrong? I keep hearing that locks and rogues are the top 2 DPSers on the test realm. Over a 10% drop in DPS seems like it would lead to a lot more whining, and I really haven't heard any of that since the second round of changes to siphon life made everything better. The initial change in siphon life had locks flipping out.

I was thinking that I wanted 0/40/31 for trash and 54/0/17(or something similar) for bosses, but I don't know who to believe anymore.
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