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September 28, 2009, 01:54 PM
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Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
10 man raiding vs. 25man raiding
Which do you prefer? I have only ever raided 25man in pugs, i have no idea what it's like in 25man guilds. We are a very successful 10man guild, ranked 2nd on the realm for strict 10man progress. However it's just a shame we don't have access to the better gear that 25man raids get access to. We work just as hard if not harder yet the rewards aren't as good. Not that it's all to do with gear, i like my guild because i have met all the core raiders in person, the raid leader and guild leader is my partner and we raid together. We all banter and get on really well, it's much more personal. As i'm the only warlock i don't have any other warlock to compare myself to, i am responsible for everything a warlock can provide and i am expected to play my class to the best of its abilities, something i think is often overlooked in 25man raids. Which do you prefer and why? |
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September 28, 2009, 02:37 PM
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Satalitetv 80 Blood Elf Warlock Ravencrest US PvE Guild: Relic Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/15/54 |
Re: 10 man raiding vs. 25man raiding
Personally I preffer 10 man raiding simply because you have less people to deal with. I do like the 25 man ones, but the chances that you're getting someone that's not as skilled is far higher, which makes the experience less enjoyable. If you somehow got a group of 25 people that all had a high skill-set, then it would be pretty much equal to 10 man to me. |
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September 28, 2009, 02:47 PM
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Tremloc 80 Human Warlock Stormrage US PvE Guild: Iliad Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 10 man raiding vs. 25man raiding
I tend to prefer 10 man only because it seems like the level of responsibility is much higher. In 25 man it appears like a number of people can die / make mistakes / etc.. and you'll still win the fight. In 10 man unless it's a dps that died, it's usually a wipe, and sometimes it's a wipe even when a dps dies. One could argue that 10 man should offer better loot. ;) as 25 is usually just a matter of herding cattle. |
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September 28, 2009, 03:02 PM
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Re: 10 man raiding vs. 25man raiding
currently i prefer 10s purely because 99% of the time i can make it thru without one single dc altho in 25s it's pretty amusing the first time to see 22/25 people just disconnect. previously i prefer 10s purely because it's alot more personal. when you're 2 healing an instance you're 50% of the heals... you mess up the other half prob can't make it up for you... disheartening? maybe but I like the challenge and knowing i directly make or break the raid cause i can play my class at near optimal given my circumstances. if you're doing 25s ( normal ) you can safely carry 1 or 2 healer / dps or a mix of either ( but not both combination ) without much worry |
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September 28, 2009, 03:03 PM
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unpoloart 80 Undead Warlock Firetree US PvP Guild: LOS RUDOS Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: 10 man raiding vs. 25man raiding
I love 10man, and before guildox changet that strict 10man is when you dont have any heroic toc gear, we were #2 guild on stric 10man on the server. Hard mode rewards are very nice, check out mimirons hardmode caster weapon. I also feel that in 25man, one mistake is a lesser problem that in 10man, but i think since ulduar, the difference between 10 and 25 is a lot less than in naxx, fights are better tuned. Also, i think that in a lot of the cases, 25man raiders are less preocupied about thair performance, as an example, the las time i pugged naxx25 before ulduar, i has 3 213 pieces ( only one from 25man ) and i beat up every warlock in The raid in every boss we did, and it was a guild run. They all had much better gear than i had. I have seen 25man guilds stuck on hodir or mimiron in both 25 and 10man, and they have better gear then a lot of 10 man guilds that have kill yogg. But there are the hardcore raiders, who really are good in either 10 or 25. |
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September 28, 2009, 03:18 PM
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Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 10 man raiding vs. 25man raiding
I am actually really glad that alot of people enjoy 10 man more, it's almost like people are playing for the right reasons, and not for gear. I have just been watching my partner dps for a 25man guild who he raids with occasionally when they need him, and the individual dps isn't that much different from what we push out in 10man. It almost feels like 25man raiding is the 'done thing' because of the gear rewards, i'm hoping that Blizzard brought in the heroic modes of raids for 10man because they are noticing the gap and the fact that 10man raiding is actually preferred by alot of people. The only problem is, it is hard to balance the difficulty if 10man and 25man had the same level of raiding for the same gear, thus they seperate 25man and 10man difficulty and gear rewards to settle this. |
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September 28, 2009, 03:25 PM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 10 man raiding vs. 25man raiding
I like 10mans overall better for the camraderie. But there is also nothing like 25 people working together to get it 'right'. Many of the hard modes are way harder on 25man and not just because of gear scaling. The complexity really is there. |
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September 28, 2009, 03:36 PM
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Re: 10 man raiding vs. 25man raiding
Man I miss vanilla days with 40 man raids... When you have all 40 on ts, everyone doing 110% and it works, just awesome.
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September 28, 2009, 06:52 PM
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Fizzik 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dunemaul US PvP Guild: Ghosts of Damnation Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 10 man raiding vs. 25man raiding
There was an old thread I started long ago on this that got really heated - never really asked 'which do you like more', but 'does 25 deserve better loot', so you can imagine... Would be great if this could be a poll, since I'm really curious. I prefer 10 mans to 25 mans. I'm in a small guild where everyone knows each other and we don't have to mess with all the loot rules or epgp politics. I primarily pug 25 mans, so the experience with 25's is very much dependent on the quality of the pug and that's very much hit & miss. But I've been in guilds that ran 25's as well and never enjoyed the experience as much. Bigger raids are less intimate, less friendly and just don't seem to be as fun as 10's. As to loot - I don't think that 10 man loot should be inferior to 25 and it's a mistake on Blizz's part that it is. I understand that the envisioned progression (and therefore the loot) is from 25's to 25's and from 10's to 10's, but the reality is that 10 man raiders also do 25's and they do it mainly for the gear. So what ends up happening is that a lot of people pug raids that they don't really enjoy. I wish that Blizz would make 10 man rewards the equal to 25 man so that we wouldn't be forced to do raids we don't want if we want the best gear. Since 25's are really no harder than 10's (in Ulduar, one can argue that they are, but in ToC, 25's are actually much more forgiving than 10's) and since there's no real reason why a 25 needs to be harder or better rewarded than 10's, I would hope that the current loot system changes at some point. I can understand that Blizzard wants to encourage the MMO feel of larger raids, but that is better achieved in the short and quick "EoE, Ony, VoA, OS" type raids where pugging is not so long and involved. If people enjoy 25's they'll do 25's, no need to 'subsidize' them with better loot. Last edited by fizboz; September 28, 2009 at 07:05 PM.. |
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September 28, 2009, 07:26 PM
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Meankeb 80 Human Warlock Khaz Modan US PvE Guild: Virtue Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 10 man raiding vs. 25man raiding
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I envy this, because I never saw it happen. We'd have 20 people working at 110%, 10 people at 90% and 10 people between 40-60%. I'm a 8-10 hour a week gamer, and getting people serious enough to actually see content through was just not a possibility unless you were willing to commit more time. 10-mans have really made the game what I enjoy; consistent people, less downtime (between wipes, between pulls, between buffs, etc) and good gear. I've never wanted the Legendary, so that part's always been out of reach anyway. |
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