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October 30, 2009, 08:26 AM
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: Threat: Omen vs. Bizz meter
As a DPS, it is my job to bring the pain. But it is also my job to KEEP bringing the pain. As such, if I pull from the tank, it is MY fault for not watching my aggro. On the same token, it is also MY fault if I don't get out of the fire -- not the healer's fault. If my tank can't keep aggro and my DPS suffers, then bad tank!
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October 30, 2009, 09:04 AM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Threat: Omen vs. Bizz meter
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There are plenty of fights where threat becomes a serious issue if tanks and DPS are equally geared including Hodir HM, Vezax, Vezax HM, Iron Council HM (if you get early rune power circle available) etc In addition, you may run into an undergeared tank who is perfectly geared for the instance but undergeared for your ability to generate threat due to your gear being great. This is usually my issue doing VOA25 or Ony or OS25 pugs. And finally, the internet is the internet. Sometimes lag can spike anyone in the raid, and it can be the tank sometimes. Personally I'd rather slow down my DPS in the middle of the fight if the tank is lagging than to be an idiot machine gunning the boss and pulling it , causing a wipe. If people watch omen, lag spikes are things you can work through. |
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October 30, 2009, 10:56 PM
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Jakome 80 Human Warlock Misha US PvE Guild: Truthiness Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/54/17 |
Re: Threat: Omen vs. Bizz meter
I've found the Blizzard aggro UI warns too late for me. Omen is configurable for when it gives you its sound warning, and as others said you can SEE where you are in relation to the tank, at all times, and plan your moves accordingly. |
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October 30, 2009, 11:55 PM
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iamultimo 80 Orc Warlock Barthilas US PvP Guild: Serendipity Profile: Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
Re: Threat: Omen vs. Bizz meter
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October 31, 2009, 12:11 AM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Threat: Omen vs. Bizz meter
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If I am at 125% of the tank early in the fight, I am on much thinner ice than if I am at 125% and the boss is 75% dead. The reason is that 125% of tanks aggro early might just mean a single conflagrate crit will pull. But when the boss is 75% dead, the tanks aggro instead of being like 20-30k might be several hundred k and it would take the tank twiddling their thumbs for 5-10 seconds and me to be very lucky with crits to pull Quote:
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October 31, 2009, 05:24 AM
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Re: Threat: Omen vs. Bizz meter
The data source for Omen and the blizzard threat meter is the same(in fact the creation of the blizzard threat meter made omen more accurate since before like all the earlier threat meters they were, to a certain extent, guessing. That said, the ways in which they present their data is a little different. For most purposes the blizzard threat meter is perfectly adequate, it will tell you if you're in danger of losing a target as a tank, and it'll tell you if you're in danger of gaining one as dps. It isn't however all that useful if you're running a fight where you're dealing with being threat capped or if you're trying to find out why you're threat capping your dps. It just doesn't display that level of detail, and it's not really supposed to. So basically, under normal circumstances, presuming you know what it's actually showing(which isn't quite what omen shows you since it's based on whether you'll pull aggro as opposed to your relationship to the tanks threat), dps don't really need anything more than blizzard's threat meter. Under most circumstances, tanks don't really need omen either since they don't really need to know what their threat is anyway unless it's inadequate and Omen isn't all that great at monitoring multiple targets where it might matter anyway. It's the exceptions that count though, and progression raiding is where those exceptions usually occur. If the RNG blesses there are more drops for you class for the tank and you start to out gear your tank, or in certain particularly threat sensitive fights, or if you are a tank and you are threat capping your dps and you want to try and improve your tps. Under those circumstances omen is really good, much better than the blizz threat meter. About the only people who never need omen are healers, and they don't need blizzards threat meter either. Healers care about threat, but there's not a whole lot they can do about it, a dps can back off the damage, or a tank can dial up the threat, but a healer's got to heal as and where needed regardless of anything else. |
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October 31, 2009, 05:52 AM
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Odolocks 70 Gnome Warlock Proudmoore US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Threat: Omen vs. Bizz meter
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On another note I have never had a problem pulling aggro from a tank that is equally geared, knows how to play, and gets a MD before the pull. Most guilds gear up the tanks first to prevent aggro issues and untimely crushing blows. The guy that did down rank it probably plays a tank. i do think you need to monitor your threat and shatter when it is necessary. That is why when my threat hits 125% I get an Audible warning "You are going to Die" That triggers my finger to hit my Shatter hot key. The Audio warning is a must I think, you are all ready watching dot timers and for strange deadly things on the ground. Last edited by chinsaw; October 31, 2009 at 06:06 AM.. |
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November 01, 2009, 02:03 AM
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Erodorael 80 Blood Elf Warlock Chromaggus US PvP Guild: Good Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Threat: Omen vs. Bizz meter
Thank you for all the input. I always soul shatter when my threat gets to 80% on the blizz meter, and this keeps me safe under normal circumstances (not Hodir HM). I will start to use Omen since it is highly recommended by all. Thanks for letting me know I can do an audio alert - very useful b/c I like to keep my eyes on my feet and CDs! |
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