| World of Warcraft Discussion General Discussion about anything relating to World of Warcraft and the Warlock's place with in... |
 |
November 04, 2009, 10:36 AM
|
#1 (permalink) |
|
Character Info
skummer 80 Human Warlock Eonar US PvE Guild: Hegira Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: /0/13/58 |
Warlocks: 2nd class dps
With all the love mages (Especially arcane) have received lately, we are now dug in tough to even compete with their massive dps output. We have been pretty much "Nerfed to the ground" while the other dps classes have been over-compensated. Our meters look like this: Mage/hunter (Both classes throw out a ton of dps, in excess of 8k generally) Boomkins (7k+) Rogues (7k+) Warlocks (6k) I'm well geared, and I know my rotations. I dont clip immolate. But there is no way we can compete with the synergy builds some of the other classes have. And now that Mages are defacto arcane, any love we were getting from their improved scorch builds have gone the way of the edsel. Now I can sustain 6k pretty much at will. If I get lazy it drops to 5k but i am never under 5k. I'm looking for solutions to get to that magic 7k number (Besides gearing in ilvl258, as my guild just isnt there yet) General boss rotation: Immolate CoD (while I wait for the immo/conflag lag) conflag incinx3 CB incin conflag incin x3 immo CB etc..... firing immo and CB on cooldown when not in conflag haste bonus Looking for tweaking pointers. If this needs to get moved, feel free to do so. |
|
|
| Sponsored Links |
|
|
|
November 04, 2009, 10:55 AM
|
#2 (permalink) |
|
|
Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
well simcraft says otherwise so.... let's have a look at your mages and boomkins? I assume we're talking about "in general" as opposed to say "hodir i got owned on meters" anyway a quick at your armory shows you sporting 16% hit when you only need 14 with a boomkin or 13 with a boomkin + space goat ( 17 + (-3) + (-1) ) your trinket choices seems also kinda bleh... sure there are other options that out weigh the 2pc from the shard proc |
|
|
|
|
November 04, 2009, 10:57 AM
|
#3 (permalink) |
|
Character Info
Balzhar 80 Undead Warlock Karazhan Euro PvP Guild: undecided Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/50/21 |
Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
Personally, I fire CB or Immo in the Backdraft bonus. If you fire Inc to take advantage of the haste bonus after Imm has dropped off, then you lose out on the +10% Shadow and Flame bonus. And why not fire CB during the Backdraft proc? I can think of no good reason. But that is a small point. EJ numbers seem to disagree with boom and rogues being on top of us: SampleOutputT9 - simulationcraft - Project Hosting on Google Code But on the other hand, I don't think that Simcraft represents raid conditions... |
|
|
|
|
November 04, 2009, 11:06 AM
|
#4 (permalink) |
|
|
Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
Do not compare yourself to Arcane mages. They are the same 2-button Gods we were in BC. It's totally and completely Imbalanced. |
|
|
|
|
November 04, 2009, 11:07 AM
|
#5 (permalink) |
 
Status: Subscriber
Character Info
Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
I wouldn't worry about it too much although certainly a disparity of 25% seems odd to me. Go to World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis and then browse rankings. If I go to Coliseum, 25 heroic, northrend beasts, 2 of the 5 top DPS are destro locks. 1 is a hunter, 2 are arcane mages. Twins is more owned by mages, but probably due to incanter's absorption talent in the arcane tree which I suspect was meant to be a PVP talent but with so much raid damage in fights, it's buffing arcane a lot. Some of the other fights are more melee friendly. On 10man normal and heroic, you see more of a mix. Although certainly at our higher gear levels, arcane mages will tend to be on top for shorter duration fights which 10mans typically are There's still a lot of tweaking to be done for Patch 3.3. Personally speaking, our own meters have destro locks on top for some caster friendly fights (beasts), mages on others (twins). Hunters sometimes are on top too but that's a little more random I think. -- Overall, your rotation is probably OK. I would not recommend doing CoD after immolate even with lag unless it's more than half a second. But if it is, there's your problem to some degree. It's difficult to do decent DPS in the game with lag, period so that's an unfair comparison to your peers. Also, CB should go after conflag. Also, look for a thread here titled 'unobvious DPS tips' or something like that. (maybe search unobvious int he title) that will probably help you. Otherwise, I don't see much wrong with your gear or your gems/glyphs. Minor changes you might make are replacing the +20 haste gems with reckless ametrine (12 SP, 10 haste) as SP > haste as a stat |
|
|
|
November 04, 2009, 11:25 AM
|
#6 (permalink) |
|
|
Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
Don't wait on your Immolate just because you are under a Backdraft. You will be missing out on the effect of Fire and Brimstone once your Immolate drops off, which for me is usually around that 2nd cast during the 2nd conflag. It isn't huge but if you have 5-6 Immolates fall off during Backdraft and you miss out on 5-10 Incinerates being boosted by that 10%, it could make a difference. Besides that just try to maximize your dps time. Switch targets quickly, move as little as possible, try to anticipate and be prepared for whats about to happen (target switch, needing to move, etc). I've found being ready for a change helps me get back to dps'ing much quicker than if I'm caught off guard. Its the little things like that which help take your dps to the next level when you topping out on gear. These little things may not bump your dps up much at all, but you should see yourself rising in the Damage Done catagory. Also remember, it doesn't matter how much dps your doing if the raid wipes because no one wanted to drop their dps a little by switching to the add. |
|
|
|
|
November 04, 2009, 11:49 AM
|
#7 (permalink) |
|
Character Info
Jagernaut 80 Gnome Warlock Alleria US PvE |
Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
We are low dps with huge aggro issues WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay. |
|
|
|
|
November 04, 2009, 11:55 AM
|
#8 (permalink) | |
|
Character Info
skummer 80 Human Warlock Eonar US PvE Guild: Hegira Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: /0/13/58 |
Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
Quote:
I have a few trinkets still stored in the bank, but everyone is saying different things about different trinks. I have an Illustration, I have a broodmother and a few others I could swap in and out. Current 2 piece ony trinket bonus is there because i just got the 2nd trink. Not nesessarily going to keep it there. |
|
|
|
|
|
November 04, 2009, 12:00 PM
|
#9 (permalink) | |
Status: Subscriber
Character Info
Froshaka 80 Blood Elf Warlock Alexstrasza US PvE Guild: Is A Living Legend Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
November 04, 2009, 12:12 PM
|
#10 (permalink) | |
|
|
Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Bookmarks |
| Tags |
| 2nd, class, DPS, warlocks |
| Thread Tools | |
|
|
