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Old November 05, 2009, 01:30 PM   #31 (permalink)

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mannoroth US PvP
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Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
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Personally I start the fight with CoD and then just pewpew through the rotation, Corr when moving. L2 love your haste

Read before asking help about bad dps

"Life tap for your glyph buff --> Immolate & let your imp start attacking --> Conflagrate --> CoD --> CB --> Incinerate spam --> Conflagrate

Now to clarify some priorities: Immolate and Conflagrate are cast before CoD to gain Pyroclasm. Pyroclasm increases both your fire as shadow damage. Therefore a CoD cast after having gained Pyroclasm will hit for 6% harder than a CoD. Fully raid buffer you have ~70% chance to gain Pyroclasm."

I have been doing this for the past few weeks, as it does make sense to me, and it avoids my CoD missing in case I am quicker on the trigger starting my rotation than my moonkin/spriest brethren
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Old November 09, 2009, 06:34 AM   #32 (permalink)

Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
Mages are just DPS kings now, it's impossible to play arcance badly. But I'd also say that they tend to slide over longer fights (5 mins +). I'd say mages are too far ahead of all other DPS classes to be called "balanced" but in general a warlock should be able to compete with all other DPS classes.
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Old November 09, 2009, 06:41 AM   #33 (permalink)

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Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
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Mages are just DPS kings now, it's impossible to play arcance badly. But I'd also say that they tend to slide over longer fights (5 mins +). I'd say mages are too far ahead of all other DPS classes to be called "balanced" but in general a warlock should be able to compete with all other DPS classes.
It is possible to play any spec or class badly. And i see it all the time.

Yes there are some mages that wipe the floor with their dps, but i can confidently say that every other dps class out there could if they knew how to play.
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Old November 09, 2009, 07:15 AM   #34 (permalink)

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Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
We have a pretty good mage who is a bit less geared than I am but can almost always manage to come out slightly ahead of me dps-wise, even in a tank and spank situation. However he is almost always #3-4 damage wise while I'm #1 or 2, even if he's alive for the entire fight. He's no scrub, his activity is sky high. Recount works differently for different classes and I wonder if the 2-button start/stop bursty-ness of arcane mages has a built in advantage for Recount vs. the dot classes recount likes to play around with.
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Old November 09, 2009, 07:57 AM   #35 (permalink)

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Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
Don't look at dps in recount. It shows your damage /[you]active time[you]. Active time means that if you stop dpsing for a couple of second it stop measuring your damage.
With our dot we are always consider as being active even during phases where we can't dps(icehowl bump, artic breath,...). So our dps drops because we are still dpsing but not at our maxmium potential.
This implies that classes whith no dot(like mage...) are sometimes higher in dps than us but with a lower total damage.
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Old November 09, 2009, 09:39 AM   #36 (permalink)

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Don't look at dps in recount. It shows your damage /[you]active time[you]. Active time means that if you stop dpsing for a couple of second it stop measuring your damage.
With our dot we are always consider as being active even during phases where we can't dps(icehowl bump, artic breath,...). So our dps drops because we are still dpsing but not at our maxmium potential.
This implies that classes whith no dot(like mage...) are sometimes higher in dps than us but with a lower total damage.
I was going to write a paragraph similar to this but left it kind of open ended as the topic isn't the disadvantages of recount.

But that brings up another issue. The only things I look at as a raid leader are activity, uptime, deaths, and total damage. Dps is more of an amusing number than anything else, it gives me a rough, on-the fly estimate of what everyone is doing at the time and it can give me a kick in the pants if I know I'm under-performing. But the amount of damage done is more telling.
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Old November 09, 2009, 09:50 AM   #37 (permalink)

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Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
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Don't look at dps in recount. It shows your damage /[you]active time[you]. Active time means that if you stop dpsing for a couple of second it stop measuring your damage.
With our dot we are always consider as being active even during phases where we can't dps(icehowl bump, artic breath,...). So our dps drops because we are still dpsing but not at our maxmium potential.
This implies that classes whith no dot(like mage...) are sometimes higher in dps than us but with a lower total damage.
Very, very true. On many fights we throw out insta cast DoTs as we move into position. Mages generally do not start casting until they get into position. It's very minor, but it makes a difference.
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Old November 10, 2009, 08:59 AM   #38 (permalink)

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All fine, and it's been long established that damage done is more accurate reflection of an individuals' contribution to an encounter than their DPS - if you remember warlocks always had extremely high DPS in The Burning Crusade partly due to the lack of DoTs. However I present exhibit A:

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

Now the game I'd like to play is "spot the warlock". For those who can't be bothered, there is one on the entire page. Compared to so many arcane mages I can't be bothered to count them and a ton of DKs (supposedly a hybrid class).

Now I realise that fight mechanics favour these classes to some extent (to a huge extent in the case of DKs on the Faction Champs), but seriously, what happened to "bring the player not the class"? A warlock and mage of equal skill levels will find that in almost every situation the mage will be higher DPS by a fairly decent margin. That surely isn't the intention of the developers.

The mechanics of each class should be set up so that player skill allows all DPS to be within a fair margin of each other. In the case of arcane mages that isn't holding true. At T7 the FFB mage was also DPS king in the hands of a skilled player. Now I've seen people who couldn't handle that spec and rotation suddenly shoot up the DPS charts with the recent buffs to arcane. The arcane spec is simply too powerful for the effort that it requires (again, just as warlocks were at T6). I suppose that's my biggest gripe, I like reward to equal effort

Sadly there seems to be little intent to re-balance DPS in 3.3. It's even worse for hybrid casters who are getting left way behind right now.
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Old November 10, 2009, 09:13 AM   #39 (permalink)

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Eonar US PvE
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Re: Warlocks: 2nd class dps
quick update:

1) Thanks to Valimir for the previous post. I knew we were under-gunned compared to the mages, but i had no concrete numbers to provide. Well done. You can't prove anything on gut instinct.

2) I ended up switching back to IotDS and Abyssal rune on the suggestion of many folks. I'm now consistantly over 5600 dps and 90% of the time i am in the beibourhood of 7000, which given the circumstances, I am quite happy with. I knew my rotation was good (remember no Corruption unless you need to move) and it looks like the trinks have it.

thanks guys :D
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