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Old November 21, 2010, 09:22 AM   #21 (permalink)

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Re: Affliction DoT Ticks and Haste Scaling

i don't know about all the stats you guys are posting from pages 1-2 but i currently have 1428 haste unbuffed with 2 points in bane...
can say from experience if ya gonna play aff i'd aim for my kind of haste. it really does make a difference in raids.
i use me off spec aff spec more then ever atm for raiding and have seriously been rethinkin droppin my main spec and just keepin the one spec total as it's same spec i use on beta too so know it works well...
live wow - average dps 14k (43.55% haste)
beta wow - average dps 11k (still crap geared in blues - 12% haste)
i'd have to say anythin lower wud make having the shadow bolt spell useless and the improved shadow bolt effect would suffer alot from lack of...
even before i got most me pieces in heroic 277 level i was still at 1418 haste so not alot has changed...
i'm looking forward to the higher stat gems and haste enchants
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Old November 21, 2010, 10:51 AM   #22 (permalink)

Re: Affliction DoT Ticks and Haste Scaling

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But keep in mind in affliction as long as you can keep corruption auto-refreshed then extra ticks for it doesn't matter.
I think you got this wrong. It would be right if the duration of corruption simply increased with extra ticks instead of the tick interval getting shorter.
I mean extra ticks gained at haste thersholds doesn't matter for corruption because you never get to that "last" tick. Tick interval and haste does matter still, but no extra increase happens when crossing thersholds (25%, 42%, 59% etc.) like happens for UA/Immo. So the topic of this thread, unlinear scaling of haste at points of extra tick, matters mostly only for UA/Immo (10% 30% 50% 70%) but not for corruption or BoA.
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Old November 21, 2010, 11:33 AM   #23 (permalink)

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Re: Affliction DoT Ticks and Haste Scaling

So is it better to use drain life or shadowbolt as a filler? Depsite them have near damage based on Spellman's numbers would it be better to try and fish for procs and cast corruption when devious minds, potion of speed, DFO, and Charred twlight scale all proc?

Whenever corruption is refreshed by drain soul, haunt, or shadowbolt my understanding is that any modifiers are reset. So, I'm curious then if it is better to let corruption tick and use drain life as a filer? I would have to pay closer attention to my haunt debuff because I usually cast it on cooldown because I would only want to cast haunt right before the debuff falls off.

So when I cast a shadowbolt when devious minds proc when corruption is refreshed does it inherit the devious minds/potion of speed/trinkets modifiers?

Also when you soulburn seed do all of the corruption inheirt the same damage modifiers that affected the soulburn seed of corruption spell?
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Old November 21, 2010, 01:00 PM   #24 (permalink)

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Re: Affliction DoT Ticks and Haste Scaling

Spellman, I might be getting it wrong, but I see your point I think. In a perfect scenario you would cast Haunt every 9-11 secs, average 10 secs, that's when corruption gets refreshed. According to my understanding of your post, haste thresholds don't matter for Corr because of this. How about the haste threshold where an extra tick occurs in the first 10 secs of corruption? or even 2 more ticks!

Never mind all the situations where corruption will tick for it's full duration (Soulburn: SoC, Soulswap on adds, and general multidotting).
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Old November 21, 2010, 04:54 PM   #25 (permalink)

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So is it better to use drain life or shadowbolt as a filler? Depsite them have near damage based on Spellman's numbers would it be better to try and fish for procs and cast corruption when devious minds, potion of speed, DFO, and Charred twlight scale all proc?
Timing some spells with all the procs could be theoretical gain but sounds quite hard to do perfectly. Anyway shadow bolt doesn't refresh corruption anymore. Which one is better probably depends on player.

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How about the haste threshold where an extra tick occurs in the first 10 secs of corruption? or even 2 more ticks!
Only the interval between ticks will matter if you don't let corruption fall down, refreshing doesn't change intervals. So if you have 50% haste all the time, corruption will tick once in 2sec, this gives 100 ticks in 200 seconds so same damage no matter if you refresh corruption right before or after tick. AoE and multidotting will be another thing, but there all the stat scalings would change in other ways too.
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Old November 21, 2010, 09:52 PM   #26 (permalink)

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Re: Affliction DoT Ticks and Haste Scaling

Agreed, I just misunderstood your first post. This is interesting, one less haste threshold to aim for as affliction for now.

Might be a bit off topic but:
Combat Ratings at level 85 (Cataclysm) - Elitist Jerks

With each level gained from 80-85 our gear will become less and less effective. I know this is supposed to happen, but according to EJ the change is quite huge. Haste required for 1% increase jumped from 32.79 to 128.05701.
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Old November 22, 2010, 06:08 AM   #27 (permalink)

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That's some wicked numbers. So 10% haste is super easy to reach but even the BiS level 85 T11 gear has only 27.65%|18.03%(2309) haste, which is why haste has higher stat weight than mastery and crit there. So to reach the next thershold 30% haste at level 85 with 5% and 3%(dark intent) buffs we'd need:
(((1.3/1.05)/1.03)-1)*12805.701 = 2588 haste (20.2%) from gear.
Which is actually quite close to 2 other thersholds 2639 and 2679 (for 15% and 30% buffs to give 50% and 70%) but these we may not need to worry until T12...

Seems that level 85 simcraft numbers were updated today and affliction is now 1k ahead of destro and demo, but I guess these numbers will change many times still.
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Old November 22, 2010, 08:01 PM   #28 (permalink)

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This is one of the best posts I have ever read on this site, but I'm still not sure what I should I aim for. I might just worry about it, when I hit 85 instead of now.
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Old December 17, 2010, 08:43 PM   #29 (permalink)

Re: Affliction DoT Ticks and Haste Scaling

OK I need to get something cleared up in my head.

+ Haste for DoTs = more spell damage ????

for example
Corruption:

Haste Rating # of Ticks
0 6
275 7

(assuming spell duration 18 sec to stay constant)

0 Haste ticks at 100/tick 6 times = 600 damage
275 Haste ticks at 100/tick 7 times = 700 damage



Plain and simple question...

+ Haste for DoTs = more spell damage ????


Thank you all!

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Old February 04, 2011, 06:48 PM   #30 (permalink)

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Re: Affliction DoT Ticks and Haste Scaling

I read something about the haste thresholds being changed when they release 4.0.6, does anyone know anything about that? Super annoying that they would change it and make me reforge all my gear. :(
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