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July 06, 2008, 02:41 PM
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Re: 30/21/10...max DPS spec?
Fun is almost diassociated from high-end raid builds and rigid DPS Cycles, but the aim is to output the maximum possible damage and 0/21/40 certainly fulfills that requirement....
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July 06, 2008, 06:02 PM
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Re: 30/21/10...max DPS spec?
I'm playing 0/21/40 and enjoying it. However it's probably worth seeing it my way. As an afflock I was good, not the best but good. However I never had to worry about my threat, 95% of the time I knew where I was on the meter without looking. However instead I was juggling mana regen, defenses and minimal DoT downtime without overwriting ticks. This meant I didn't spend time fine tuning which spells to use and such. I lifetapped knowing siphon life would give back in the next 10 seconds and so on. As a destro lock it's a different game, timing trinkets and soulshatter, when to lifetap is a finer art, I focus on the fine details of my game instead of just making it work. On busier fights, affliction is a headache, I loved the challenge, but the thing about spreadsheets versus in practice, and the reason you can make the destro switch before you should and benifit is because as affliction you won't be doing your max theoretical DPS, you WILL be under achieving. Fact. As destro you can be within 5% of your theoretical max very very easily, and making that last 5% work is the challenge, or shrinking it anyway. However it very much depends on the player you are. If I didn't like my life being able to overstep wow when I want to see a film, party, see friends, go for a drink or have a jam one evening on my bass with friends, I'd be in a hardcore guild and loving it. |
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July 07, 2008, 02:36 AM
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Re: 30/21/10...max DPS spec?
I have tried most builds, and granted I am barely T4/5 equivalent at the moment, but I seem to always return to the 0/21/40 build. I am so hopeful that Wrath of the Lich King will make Affliction work. I long to be a full affliction warlock, and maybe even with a demo or destro boost, but I cannot seem to find that balance. Nightfall is great, yes. But I feel that backlash procs just as often, and I can have an insta-SB OR insta-Incinerate if I want. True, in hard core raids I shouldn't be getting hit at all, I see that point as well. As of now, I am not running 25 mans, and I see that might become a problem in the future. However, in this build, intended for 5/10 mans at the most, with spell haste stacking, I'm pumping out max DPS in as much time as it takes to cast a non-affliction buffed Corruption. Granted, in full affliction, most DoTs take no time at all, but the numbers can't compare to SB and Incinerate crits more often than not. Affliction does take more skill, in my opinion, but working harder instead of smarter has never been my way. Mad love to all warlocks of all specs. It's nice to be a class that can desecrate no matter what build we are. : ) |
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July 07, 2008, 06:14 PM
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Re: 30/21/10...max DPS spec?
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Alright if you spec 0/21/40 you need a high spell hit rating however the original spec givin (30/21/10) in my opinion would be better for easier raids. There is nothing wrong with going 0/21/40 because you can get your spell hit rating from gems. Overall, I'd go 0/21/40 just because of ruin...i believe you can't max out a locks dps without it. Correct me if im wrong. Thanks for reading. Hope i helped you. |
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July 07, 2008, 09:24 PM
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Allak 70 Human Warlock Nazgrel US PvE Guild: Riders of Ironforge Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/46/15 |
Re: 30/21/10...max DPS spec?
What about 24/34/3 http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IqMrbRfkZbxczIiz0xsZh |
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July 07, 2008, 09:46 PM
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Menzo 70 Blood Elf Warlock Aman'Thul Oceania PvE Guild: Nocturnal Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 1/44/16 |
Re: 30/21/10...max DPS spec?
Not really that useful. Affliction spells and Destro spells no longer share the same range, which will be a pain. Having your Succubus out and with Soul-Link without the 5% DT Criticals, without any form of pet support (DR, MF, HF) isn't worth it over SM. 3 points in destro are sort of wasted going no where. No Bane = 3 second Shadowbolts =/ No Fel Concentration also gimps you out of raids when you might want to drain tank a mob. |
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July 15, 2008, 02:05 AM
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Re: 30/21/10...max DPS spec?
Here are some of my thoughts looking at this build: 1) 20 pts are spent in demo tree to get suc sac +15% shad damage. 9 of those help only summoned demons and the other 11 do not add to dps output at all. 2) the range at which we'd be casting shadow bolts by foregoing destructive reach leaves us succeptable to some mob and boss aoe moves (trash prior to hydross comes to mind), not to mention the 10% reduced threat (huge imo). 3) we'd also be missing out on +8% crit chance (devastation and backlash), +100% crit damage (ruin), as well as +20% of our bonus spell damage. ...food for thought maybe? Also, does anyone know when the bonus damage for sac suc and shadow mastery are applied? Is it after all bonus damage and crit bonuses or just to the damage the spell does by itslef? *** Information added 2 Minutes and 30 Seconds later... *** oh...reason i ask about bonus damage is i am wondering wether 5 points would be better spent in shadow mastery or in shadow and flame. |
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August 14, 2008, 11:06 AM
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Re: 30/21/10...max DPS spec?
30/21/10 awesome spec but theres some HUGE problems. First off 2/2 for improved curse of agony in the end turns out to be about +50 damage and to burn 2 talent points in that seems just sad IMO  but there are some changes that can be made! take a look at this build...http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?tal=45022200122301150000021500301332001000000005050000 00000000000000 Now with a few tweaks we really make use of the supression build and totally get rid of the ICoA. now bear with me we sacrifice the +50 damage (lol) and in reality get about 99% chance to land affliction spells on raid bosses (Give or take thats about 400 extra damage compared to the 50 we just dumped like a bad Girlfriend lawl) nothing will essentially change aobut how you cycle spells you will still be using Curse of Agony or CoE or CoS. however no matter what you use it will still be better than having those 2 waste of points in curse of agony. With coe you will be dealing 10% more damage of a 700ish damage nuke from immolate (about 70 for those who suck at math like me =D) but correct me if im wrong if the immolate gets resisted that 70 is gone and wiht Curse of Agony if it gets resisted it is totally done but with supression theres a 1% chance that spell will be resisted. make sense? i hope so cuse im confused -.- LOL but it works in my mind! 
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September 04, 2008, 07:40 AM
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Psyopus 70 Gnome Warlock Skywall US PvE PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 27/34/0 |
Re: 30/21/10...max DPS spec?
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Besides, if you cant take a pally as a lock you suck at playing the warlock. The rogue is way over powered, the only class that can take a rogue on with a decent fight is the Warrior. I like the spec, although Im not a raider ;p Last edited by Theleb; September 04, 2008 at 08:16 AM.. Reason: Lose the forum troll attitude and speech. |
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September 06, 2008, 01:06 AM
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Arilas 70 Human Warlock Ravenholdt US RP PvP Guild: Uther's Hand Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/61/0 |
Re: 30/21/10...max DPS spec?
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warning to everyone thinking about trying this: DON'T! |
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