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May 17, 2008, 07:12 PM

#71 (permalink)

thorlock

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Khanlock
80 Orc Warlock
Chromaggus PvP
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 54/17/0

Re: Immolate vs UA/Corruption

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Originally Posted by Nihiliphim

My friend,
You are correct that 0/21/40 does more damage against my original spec which has a bit more raid utility at least in terms of malediction.
The spreadsheet helps alot!

This is a real understatement. Now I know my gear isn't top notch, but it is purple. My damage being an afflic lock was DOUBLED by a demo/dest lock! That's on trash, bosses, everything! I felt confident that on bosses I could compare well... what a joke that was. And btw, I use the spellrotations suggested on this site, did everything exactly how those in the know say it should be done.

I agree with the original poster.

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I agree. Locks now fall into four categories:
Mage Locks (destr)
Hunter Locks (demo)
Combinations of the above
Neutered Locks

I think WOW has had a hard a hard time holding to the distinctions they originally made in the various classes. Everyone got jealous of what the others had so everyone got alittle of everything (e.g. pets, fear, healing, ...). Every class had distinct strengths and weaknesses, but now the whiners have prevailed and we are all very similar.

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Originally Posted by KnThrak

I agree with the OP on the very "identity" problem though:
I too don't like what Warlocks have "become".

We're essentially Mages today. We nuke. Yes, we have Healthstones instead of Food/Water, and we have Soulstones instead of Int Buff, and yes our nukes are black and not orange... but all in all, visual and fluff differences aside we're the same class.

Neither class faces any mana issues in PvE, neither class has much to offer debuff-wise beyond a raid-important token debuff (CoS/CoE versus Improved Scorch / Winter's Chill).

This is very heavy on me because when I started WoW, I expected Warlocks being Debuffers - more so since manual and website billed them as such. And reading the spelllists it sounded like the damage output was very low, and nearly entirely in DoTs, and we had no self-defense, which had to be done via pets (HP Aura / Sacrifice / Seduce / Spell Lock).

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May 17, 2008, 10:50 PM	#72 (permalink)
Canadianpimp Character Info Kobekid 80 Human Warlock Kilrogg US PvE Guild: Good With Ketchup Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58	Re: Immolate vs UA/Corruption Kek. __________________

May 18, 2008, 06:33 AM	#73 (permalink)
Theleb Character Info Theleb 70 Human Warlock Shadowsong Euro PvE Guild: Original Talent Spec: 0/46/15	Re: Immolate vs UA/Corruption Kek indeed, and sure, I can edit to avoid further use of smiley's. __________________ Lefric - 80 Rogue Theleb - 70 Warlock Celegorm - 70 Hunter Kahlye - 70 Shaman - Gaerun 62 Paladin - Weldrake 80 Death Knight Shadow priest for me , So I can lifetap wildly, Then roll on your loot.

May 18, 2008, 01:32 PM	#74 (permalink)
Nihiliphim Character Info Nihiliphim 80 Undead Warlock Scarshield Legion Euro RP PvP Guild: Vindicated Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 51/0/20	Re: Immolate vs UA/Corruption Thank you , now that I've fixed my hitrating and I'm capped properly (203) I would like to say I'm quite satisfied with the variation of 40/0/21 namely malediction/ruin spec. Rotating Curse/SB/corruption/SB/Siphon Life (if necessary) updating SL and corruption during boss fights, making kills with shadowburn (another spell I love very much). I changed guild and I had tries on gorefiend, best of which was when we got him down to 14%! I was forbidden to reset the dps meter so I can't really say how good I was @ him but taken the whole run together, considering there was no shadow priest in the raid and my gear is still of T4-T5 quality but in BT I was like calibrating between 10th-13th on the dps meter. By also playing with the spreadsheet around I got a feeling that if done right; contagion, nightfall and shadow mastery can very well compensate for demonic sacrifice, demonic aegis, and shadow and flame. If only a T6 geared warlock who longs for the lost affliction powers would test it and compare different results you could help a lot. I wish to know what is missing. any other experiences of specs involving corruption and shadow bolt rotations are also welcome. __________________ Would you still press the resurrect button if you could view your next life before? Last edited by Nihiliphim; May 18, 2008 at 10:51 PM..

June 06, 2008, 10:48 AM	#75 (permalink)
Nihiliphim Character Info Nihiliphim 80 Undead Warlock Scarshield Legion Euro RP PvP Guild: Vindicated Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 51/0/20	Re: Immolate vs UA/Corruption We downed Gorefiend finally, and had RoS down to 30% on 3rd phase! I got myself a new dps meter, I can easily setup for personal use (you can check out YACL it's neat and works well enough for your personal use, I myself only needed to see my own pure dps which is not relative to others, so I even turn synchronized mode off). I'm still very happy with my spec, even fitting an immolate in the rotation every now and then makes it better when nuking hard. I must admit the results came to surprise my guildmates, and as I progress more it can only get better. Would be happy to hear more stories of people who are raiding end-game content as affliction with any of the 40/0/21 spec variations, I'm happy that not all is lost for us shadow addict face melters! Can't literally wait to get my hands on the Ashtongue Talisman of Shadows __________________ Would you still press the resurrect button if you could view your next life before?

June 10, 2008, 10:50 AM	#76 (permalink)
Nihiliphim Character Info Nihiliphim 80 Undead Warlock Scarshield Legion Euro RP PvP Guild: Vindicated Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 51/0/20	Re: Immolate vs UA/Corruption Some stats showing up finally, we downed RoS and our best try of Bloodboil was 36%. Here below is some stats regarding Immolate Vs Corruption statistics on a run that took us all the way down a winterchill kill from our progressive tries on Bloodboil. Immolate (as performed by cacctus): 189162 total damage done Wow Web Stats Corruption (as performed by me personally): 221844 total damage done Wow Web Stats __________________ Would you still press the resurrect button if you could view your next life before?

October 28, 2008, 03:48 AM	#77 (permalink)
Anshargal	Re: Recently Acquired UA - do I still use Immolate? I say use everything in your spell book. IMO the more damage you can dish out the better.

October 28, 2008, 09:43 AM	#78 (permalink)
XavronMG Character Info Xavron 80 Gnome Warlock Moon Guard US RP PvE Guild: Veritas Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/1/17	Re: Recently Acquired UA - do I still use Immolate? For an affliction warlock - there are a lot of talents that interact with UA. So getting UA on the mob always takes precedence over Immolate. For a Destro lock with fire-talents, Immolate is better then UA (if Destro can even spec deep enough to get UA...). I still use Immolate as a DD/DoT in the middle of my sequence as affliction.

September 22, 2009, 12:58 AM	#79 (permalink)
Fabioloso Character Info Fabioloso 67 Blood Elf Warlock Azgalor US PvP Guild: Pestilence Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 51/7/0	Re: Recently Acquired UA - do I still use Immolate? i used Immolate until i got UA. once i got UA (since it only helps out afflic abilities) i started using SB more often. my rotation is usually UA, Corr, Curse of Agony, Haunt. by the time i have Haunt off i Lifetap to get back mana to 100% if the mob is still alive i throw in a couple Searing Pain's to finish it off. i end up with 100% hp and 98-100% mana everytime. idk if thats the best possible way to go about it but i have zero downtime because of it. my build should say it all. i know its not the best build and i realize i need to change it to better suit that rotation(i am still a noob to warlocks) but maybe what i said can help or atleast cause more discussion.

September 22, 2009, 01:23 AM	#80 (permalink)
Ugru Character Info Ugru 80 Orc Warlock Moon Guard US RP PvE Guild: Children of Eternity Talent Spec: 3/13/54	Re: Recently Acquired UA - do I still use Immolate? This thread is very outdated, since UA and Immo are now mutually exclusive. Affliction warlocks cast UA and not Immo, since casting Immo would overwrite a UA already on the target. A HUGE dps loss for an affliction warlock. Fabioloso, you should read some strategies in this forum to find the most beneficial rotation. Afflic should always begin the rotation with Haunt to apply the debuff to the target, and never, never, cast Searing Pain. Get used to liberal use of Shadow Bolts and Life Tap.

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