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April 03, 2007, 02:13 PM
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Themorrigan 70 Human Warlock Kil'Jaeden US PvP Guild: The Collective Profile: Blizzard Armory |
RE: destruction grinding
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Our destruction spells are inherently the least mana efficient, and the only two talents in the tree that have anything to do with reducing that (cataclysm and soul leech) don't really have too much of an effect. The main killer as destruction is how often you have to stop and eat/drink. If you grind with a voidwalker, you're limited by how much aggro he can generate, if you don't use him to tank you're limited by the fact that getting punched in the face will force you to have to stop and eat more often. Affliction is good for grinding because 1) our DoTs are naturally more DPM than our nukes 2) imp drain soul will give you mana back 3) siphon life and drain life end up with a net gain of resources against most targets 4) DARK PACT. As affliction, you kill only slightly slower on a single target than destruction, but you can pull multiple mobs without a significant reduction in kill speed, and you also have almost no time spent drinking between mobs. Demonology's main advantage to destruction is that your pet is putting out more damage, allowing you to do the same. The reason hunter pets are so good for farming compared to the voidwalker is that they actually do significant damage of their own, holding aggro through both their DPS and growl - the felguard is the same thing. Specifically Hasuki, I assume you grind with a sacced voidwalker - in which case your time is made easier by your demonology talents, not those in destruction. If you grind as destruction (I don't, I use my druid alt to farm), any ease in farming is from your points in another tree, not from those in destruction. While a PvE destruction spec (S&F/DS) can farm well due to demonic sac, any other destruction spec can't. |
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April 03, 2007, 02:41 PM
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Re: destruction grinding
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doogless, I, speaking as a destruction warlock, have very little downtime when grinding. I always purchase conjured level 65 mage food/water. I have a sacrificed imp only due to the fact that any pet as a destruction lock is useless, except possibly a felhunter which I do not use unless for a special case such as raiding. Anyways, back to the subject matter. I also life tap so I have roughly the same % of hit points as I do of mana and thus I can grind longer than most warlocks as destruction. I, myself tank the monsters and kill them so fast as destruction that I end up hitting my head to the computer that I just tanked a mob and killed it in under 8 seconds and had moved onto the next mob with just a nick of my mana & health gone. The down time of drinking/eating up when I am at 5-10% mana/health is so low that overall I end up clearing certain areas and have time to play "easy-mode" minesweeper until the monsters respawn. "how often I have to stop eat/drink", are you thinking of every 15-25 minutes of taking a break? (the 15-25 minutes depend on the mob, sometimes 1 minute if you do not know how to play a destruction warlock for grinding) One time, I was grinding in Nagrand, the water elementals near the Throne of Elements, when I came across a level 70 gnome affliction warlock that was trying to grind there too. I killed 3 water elementals by the time he was finished with just one and roughly only 1/5 to 1/6 of my mana was spent during those three water elementals. I knew he was affliction by the fact that he was drain life tanking with full dots and he had a void walker to tank and I actually followed him around to make sure he did not have any points in demonology, which he did not. If you want me to prove your weakness in your rebuttal, doogless, allow me to fully specc destruction. Again, you also prove your weakness that you do not grind with your warlock and thus not knowing all of its capabilities because you grind with a druid which also explains WHY you woud assume a destruction warlock sucks at grinding. Regards, Hakusi |
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April 03, 2007, 02:48 PM
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Re: destruction grinding
*Backs away from the thread.* Note: I certainly don't care *that* much when any of you folks think ill of my class spec or abilities. It's a game and these are just words on the interwebb. Nothing against any of you, I'm sure you're all great folks. |
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April 03, 2007, 02:57 PM
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Re: destruction grinding
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Ingafel, I am just proving my point that destruction warlocks do NOT suck.  doogless, freely speaks for all destruction warlocks as saying that they all suck for grinding. 4/5 of our guild's level 70 warlocks are destruction, 1 affliction hybrid. The destruction warlocks in the guild have managed to grind somehow and not suck at it. Maybe because they play with their brains and a warlock as a main.Regards, Hakusi |
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April 03, 2007, 03:09 PM
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Re: destruction grinding
I have spent the past few weeks doing little else than grinding for motes and I can go a very long time without eating and drinking. I also leveled from 60 to 70 as a destro lock and did it just as fast as my pally, rogue, affliction lock or whatever friends. I would say it does not suck but coming from an affliction background I can say destro is much less efficient and more expensive. When I was affliction I NEVER bought food and water. So I will say if I was still affliction I would be a much richer lock. |
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April 03, 2007, 06:26 PM
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Re: destruction grinding
The difference comes in taking on multiple mobs at once. And it's not a question of how fast you can damage them, but rather how you can keep them from damaging you. The useful things here in affliction are Siphon Life and uninterruptible drain life, and empowered DoTs, and Dark Pact for mana recovery. The useful things in destruction.... hm... Shadowfury, Nether Protection (very situational), backlash (vs. melee), and some instant casts. You won't be draining to get your health back, and if you go OOM your only recourses are (1) potion, (2) HS+Lifetap. A Destrolock who pulls 6 mobs is in a whole lot of trouble. An affliction mob tries to pull a minimum of 3 and if 6 come he has a chance. It's not efficiency so much as survivability. Efficiency-wise a destrolock murders single targets very quickly. Affliction is not so good at single targets, but since he can pull 3 at a time it doesn't matter that he kills slower. |
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April 03, 2007, 06:36 PM
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JohnnyRook 70 Undead Warlock Dath'Remar Oceania PvE Guild: RUIN Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: destruction grinding
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I am destructo, I have no drama grinding. Sure I eat and drink every now and then, but used effectively soul leach is a strong talent that will greatly decrease your downtime. Mind you it only really begins to shine once you hit at least 600 +Damage Also, everyone goes on and one about having "no downtime", well all I have done since hitting 70 is grind primals *sigh*, and as I am sure you all know, you spend most of your time waiting for respawns ... what a perfect time to eat/drink jR |
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April 03, 2007, 07:01 PM
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Re: destruction grinding
"The difference comes in taking on multiple mobs at once. And it's not a question of how fast you can damage them, but rather how you can keep them from damaging you." Very true. I would add that, for me, the number of mobs, although there is a limit, is not as important as if you get unexpected adds. For me if I know I am about to fight 4 mobs I do much better than if I’m fighting 2 mobs and get an add. Often when I'm grinding I allow myself to get rather low on mana and life in order to save on buying food and water. The problem comes when I'm not paying enough attention and some mob respawns on top of me or I back into one like and idiot or whatever and suddenly I'm fighting something I wasn't prepared for. Maybe efficient isn't the right word but affliction simply has a bigger mana pool to draw from. My point is I did feel affliction was more forgiving when things didn’t go according to plan. |
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April 03, 2007, 07:23 PM
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Re: destruction grinding
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The reasons are simple. Spells cost mana and mobs hurt you. Both bars go down. Affliction regens the bars while you continue casting. Destro really doesn't. Drain Life/Mana are your only tools, and they're gimped without fel concentration. In groups though, I am quickly learning that destro is tons of fun. /tar mob YOU! DIE! brrrrrrrrrbbrbrbrbrbrbrbrrrrrrrrrdsagh fjkbjs,v rlajs ----- Mob Dead. Profit. Crazy fast burst. Immolate --> Backlash Proc --> Deathcoil ---> conflag --> shadowburn. OUCH!! As I've said before, tons of ways to play your lock, and they're all fun. |
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April 03, 2007, 07:34 PM
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JohnnyRook 70 Undead Warlock Dath'Remar Oceania PvE Guild: RUIN Profile: Blizzard Armory |
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Gotta watch those KTM meters in instances though, lol jR |
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