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July 16, 2007, 08:32 PM
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Krypt 70 Human Warlock Shattered Hand Euro PvP Guild: From the Ashes Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Destruction Raid DPS
I ama 0/21/40 firelock, got about 1000 fire damage raid buffed, however i my dps in raids is...shockingly bad. im getting out damaged on bosses by people 200-300 damage less than me. any tips on how to improve dps, be it cast sequences, gear etc would be greatly appreciated. |
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July 16, 2007, 10:01 PM
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Shriek 60 Undead Warlock Nether |
Re: Destruction Raid DPS
I had a buddy that would always beat me on damage and he was really good about casting corruption on any mob that was being off-tanked and using shadowburn any time a mob was about to go down. Those two little things right there add quite a bit. You don't have instant corruption, so that isn't an option for you. As far as your main spells are concerned, I would cast immolate, conflagrate, immolate, then incinerate. Cast conflagrate as it comes up and refresh immolate as needed. As far as the exact timed spell rotation goes, I haven't figured it out that precisely because I hate feeling like a robot. Chuck |
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July 16, 2007, 10:01 PM
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Re: Destruction Raid DPS
Heya, What is your current cast sequence, if you post it people can generally tell you what needs to be done. S_W |
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July 16, 2007, 10:07 PM
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Krypt 70 Human Warlock Shattered Hand Euro PvP Guild: From the Ashes Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Destruction Raid DPS
generally, on boss fights, CoE, Immo., trinket, incin*X, conflag - repeat |
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July 16, 2007, 10:42 PM
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Koniman 70 Human Warlock Steamwheedle Cartel Euro RP Guild: House of Elements Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 41/0/20 |
Re: Destruction Raid DPS
Im currently raiding SSC at the moment, and one of our warlocks was full fire destro like you and compared to the other warlocks their damage was realy quite bad, sometimes worse than tanks. I myself have been UA/Shadow Bolt build (of many variations) since i hit 70, but the past few weeks I have started looking into becomming destruction. There are two extremely important things when going destruction, the first is spell rotation *see post above* thats exactly right, although i'd put the trinket before the immolate. I'd also add that you should leave your Conflag to the very last moment to maximise your primary Incinerate damage. (use a timer for this). And the second and most crucial is gear. I myself will not go destruction until I have met two key things. 1000 spell damage Unbuffed and over 100 spell hit (bare minimum, idealy more, i think for 99% you need 202 hit rating). The spell hit is key here, Destruction spells have an 83% chance to hit (from what i've been told) a player can reach 99% to hit and no more. Warlocks have no talent to improve the Hit of destruction spells only affliction, therefore in order to make sure you have the best dps you need to be sure that almost all your spells are hitting the target. Therefore your hit needs to be extremely high, backed up with plenty of spell damage. People thinking Crit is key to destro are right but its 3rd on the list of priorities. Destruction doesnt have the advantage of sustained damage over time which is a lot less hit dependant. Luckily its not hard to make good steps towards this with spellstrike sets n such, but to become truely good dps with destruction you need very good gear. Destruction is the most gear dependant spec a warlock can be. Hence why Im waiting till im wearing a lot of teir5. Also worth noting that with a shadowpriest in the raid, shadowbolt spamming can do great damage aswell. Destruction doesnt have to be all about fire. Long winded but I hope that helps. (my first post, been reading the forum for many months thought i'd actually contribute) Last edited by Koniman; July 16, 2007 at 10:46 PM.. |
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July 16, 2007, 11:03 PM
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Fimotik 70 Orc Warlock Khaz'goroth Oceania PvE Guild: Conviction Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 7/0/51 |
Re: Destruction Raid DPS
I would have to say that using fire spells is your primary downfall. Incinerate does not benefit from ISB, Shadow bolt does - that alone is cutting your DPS significantly. The only time you'd be using fire is where there are no other locks or shadowpriests and there are fire mages, to benefit from Fire vulnerability and CoE. In all other cases (i.e. no other lock, s/priest or fire mage; or with another lock or s/priest, regardless of number of fire mages), you should be using shadowbolt - its DPS is higher due to ISB (I assume you have 5/5 ISB, if not, you shouldn't be raiding). And as has been pointed out +hit is crucial. There's no point stacking crit gear if you have low hit. Get your hit to 12%, then focus on crit. If your guild uses a detailed analytical tool like WWS, you can see the impact of lack of hit on players. We have a rogue with lower damage than most of the others, but nearly 16% hit, and his DPS is freakish as nearly every single one of his hits does damage. |
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July 16, 2007, 11:15 PM
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Koniman 70 Human Warlock Steamwheedle Cartel Euro RP Guild: House of Elements Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 41/0/20 |
Re: Destruction Raid DPS
"Destruction doesnt have to be all about fire." aye Fimotik has it. Its late where i am, so i forgot the ISB, just remembered that shadowbolts were good. He's exactly right. ISB + Shadowpriest(and other warlocks) = far better dps than Fire. some possible spell rotation for this is Curse. Corr/SB*until corr ends* repeat. |
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July 17, 2007, 03:06 AM
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Pamba 70 Human Warlock Azjol Nerub Euro PvE Guild: Bind on Equip Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 1/13/57 |
Re: Destruction Raid DPS
Try to use this sequence: Immolate, trinket, 3 SB in a row (or incinerate), conflagrate and compare your damage. Basically SB rank 11 is 541-603 shadow damage Incinerate rank 2 is 444-514 + 111-128 if immo is on= 555-642 but: Imp SB (5/5) can get you 20% increase for 12 sec. if you crit (gear). It's a nice "trinket" ( 641- 723). Personally I never combined Demonology with Destro so I don't have experience. Always was a SM/Ruin type. So I just expanded that in a hybrid build. My average crits with SB on mobs are around 3,5 k and normal are 2,2 k. That is without CoS or shadow priest shadow weaving. I'll change a bit my current build when my guild will get "tired" of Karazhan  .5 talents in Suppresion and 3 points from Nether protection and 1 from Conflagrate I'll put in Emberstorm. In that way I will have more rational "time" to use full duration of all trinkets and triggered effects. Also 5/5 suppresion will improve hit by lowering shadow resistance of mobs. On few posts I linked an interesting calculator by Ybrith http://ferox-horde.de/downloads/4/warlockdps.php and with that one you can play a bit to see all possible combination you can get from your current gear and talent build. P. S. Your SB also benefit from Ruin .
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July 17, 2007, 03:19 AM
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Dragonbain 70 Undead Warlock Azjol-nerub US PvE Guild: The Dragonblades Talent Spec: 43/7/11 |
Re: Destruction Raid DPS
to help test your dps/damage go fight Dr. Doom in Netherstorm you just stand at max range and blast away he can not hit you. |
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July 17, 2007, 07:54 AM
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Koniman 70 Human Warlock Steamwheedle Cartel Euro RP Guild: House of Elements Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 41/0/20 |
Re: Destruction Raid DPS
I forgot to finish the spell rotation for shadowbolts. *again, was tired* Should go something like Curse Trinket Corr>Immo>SB*>Conflag>SB repeat Corr lasts for 18 seconds whilst immo only 15, so you can fit another sb in before you refresh. |
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