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March 18, 2008, 06:04 PM
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Soulo 80 Undead Warlock Mug'Thol US PvP Guild: Imperial Scourge Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 55/0/16 |
WHY/HOW is Affliction > Destro pre T6 (just don't see it)
Ok. I am terribly sorry if this has been discussed somewhere.. but i've wasted hours trying to find out WHY/HOW seemingly the entire Warlock community thinks that Affliction does more dps than Destro at even a T4 level? I am the Class Leader in a 3 month old guild and basically... I am having a hard time telling my locks to go affliction JUST because the community says they should. The numbers I see on the charts when we have an Affy lock just pale in comparison to a destro lock. I mean.. I've got 750 raw +damage locks with less than 100 hit rating... maybe 16 - 18% crit. (buffed) Pulling 800 - 900dps as destro and nearly topping the charts in Kara / Gruuls. Either they all SUCK as Affy locks... or I/They are missing some fundamental secrets to playing/spec'ing an Affy lock. And granted I can come VERY close to 1000dps as an Affy lock.. I'd consider myself pretty good at keeping DoT's up. Me personally... with 3/5 T4, 3/3 FSW, Kara/Badge epics.. +179 Hit +1030 Shadow damage (w/Only Fel Armor) With just a Shammy.. about 30% crit. (I'd guess about 17% before talents) I am consistently topping the charts with about 1100 - 1300 dps sustained through the fights.. and easily doing well over 50k more damage than the #2 spot. Technically my gear shouldn't even be Destro worthy yet... What am I missing? Please feel free to scourge/whip/beat me into submission.. I'm just sick of feeling like I'm an outsider in the numbers I see. I have respec'd over and over.. trying 0/40/21, SL/SL, 41,3,17, 0/21/40, etc... No dice. Thanks!! P.S. If Affliction CAN/IS truly the better route.. I NEED TO KNOW HOW... what do the numbers show?? (Surrender your mysteries to Zoidberg) |
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March 18, 2008, 06:11 PM
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Malevevely 70 Undead Warlock KJ US PvP |
Re: WHY/HOW is Affliction > Destro pre T6 (just don't see it)
The reason affliction is preferred by the warlock community as an entry level raid spec is basicly the talent of suppression the 10%(?) hit it grants you allows for the effective hit cap of 60-70% of your damage to be lowered to the mid 70s. This means that damage can be stacked in grater amounts. The gear threshold for destro(or the ideal setup) is when 202 hit can be obtained without gimping your damage. This happens when +hit from gear (without enchants and gems) hits 202 or 201.6. A good affliction lock can pull 1k dps easily in minimal kara gear and a 5pcrafted set. |
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March 18, 2008, 06:13 PM
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Malevevely 70 Undead Warlock KJ US PvP |
Re: WHY/HOW is Affliction > Destro pre T6 (just don't see it)
The ideal is by no means required as I still use some sockets for hit I still am ~400dps above when I was affliction. I am in late ssc/tk gear atm. Pre the ideal setup it has been argued that 0/40/21 is the better raid spec then pure destro however that again requires sig more hit then affliction. |
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March 18, 2008, 06:22 PM
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Soulo 80 Undead Warlock Mug'Thol US PvP Guild: Imperial Scourge Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 55/0/16 |
Re: WHY/HOW is Affliction > Destro pre T6 (just don't see it)
What is the secret to affliction then? Do you pretty much HAVE to use UA? If someone could look at my toon and tell me that I could be better off as Affliction.. give me a spec. I would gladly try it. In fact I'd love it. Cause Affliction is SO much more utiltarian unless you are trying to keep ISB up. The World of Warcraft Armory I don't know what gear he has on when you will look at this.. but the only thing that changes are my Gloves & Neck. TRASH: Voidheart Gloves: 22 crit, 35 damage, (15 hit ench) Torc of Setthek Prophet: 21 crit, 19 damage. BOSS: Handwraps of Flowing Thought: 14 hit, 35 damage, (15 hit ench),(9hit gems, bonus, +4 damage) Brooch of Unquenchable Fury: 15 hit, 26 damage For Trash I have : For boss I have: 179 hit, 15% raw crit,880 damage (w/o Fel armor) For trash I have: 141 hit, 17% raw crit, 869 damage (w/o Fel armor) p.s. I could do +20 damage to gloves.. but meh.. not worth the mats.. and if I replace a piece or two.. i'll probably put the 15 hit back anyway. p.s.2. I totally understand the concept of Hit rating otherwise I'd be stacking damage/crit. 179 hit takes selectiveness to reach with only Kara/Gruuls. BUT... the damage meters tell the true story IMO... and Destro appears pretty rock solid. So.. show me how to do more DPS as Affy... and I will stop this thread and start evangelizing!! |
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March 18, 2008, 06:24 PM
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Soulo 80 Undead Warlock Mug'Thol US PvP Guild: Imperial Scourge Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 55/0/16 |
Re: WHY/HOW is Affliction > Destro pre T6 (just don't see it)
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March 18, 2008, 06:26 PM
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Barkle 80 Undead Warlock Rexxar US PvE Guild: Corpus Vile Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: WHY/HOW is Affliction > Destro pre T6 (just don't see it)
Sounds to me like your numbers tell you Destruction is better than Affliction. My own experience agrees. I don't know where people got the idea that Destruction wasn't viable until T5/T6 level, but it is simple not true. I kept hesitating to make the switch since my stats didn't measure up to the numbers I had read (I saw +1200 damage and 20-25% crit). When I switched, I was around 1150 Shadow Damage, raid buffed, and 17% paper doll crit (doesn't include the 5% from Devastation). I went from 41/0/20 to 0/21/40 and saw an immediate 300 DPS jump. I went from watching 4 different DOT/Curse timers to Corruption/Curse and Shadow Bolt spam. Destruction is much simpler, and does much higher DPS. Main tank in my guild has a warlock alt that just hit 70. He got kara keyed, and in mostly greens (~600 +damage) put up nearly 500 DPS in his first Kara run as 0/21/40. This is a game. Enjoy it. If your warlocks are comfortable with Destruction, enjoy playing it, and are putting up good numbers, then by all means, let them. |
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March 18, 2008, 06:43 PM
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Banatu 80 Blood Elf Rogue Kel'Thuzad US PvP Guild: Massacre Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 41/5/25 |
Re: WHY/HOW is Affliction > Destro pre T6 (just don't see it)
May the beating/whipping/flogging/flaying begin! It comes down to this. They all suck as affliction if they find that 0/21/40 is a 200+ dps increase in T4/T5 gear. Affliction, played well, can stay neck and neck with a destruction lock full through T5 content and into lower T6 content. It's much more difficult to play, as you have to be a good multi-tasker, but it's much more rewarding than spamming one button to get top five in damage done. Also: Are the affliction warlocks dotting up everything with a tank attached to it? If they're not, they're doing it wrong. Mind you, there's nothing wrong with destruction in the lower content. I switched back and forth while we were crashing through there just to mix it up, and I still revisit 43/7/11 once and a while on farm nights. It's just that destruction is not the "omgwtfbbqsauce go respec now" dps spec until middle-upper T5 content.
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March 18, 2008, 06:43 PM
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Re: WHY/HOW is Affliction > Destro pre T6 (just don't see it)
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March 18, 2008, 07:04 PM
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Soulo 80 Undead Warlock Mug'Thol US PvP Guild: Imperial Scourge Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 55/0/16 |
Re: WHY/HOW is Affliction > Destro pre T6 (just don't see it)
Cool. See I have to agree with all of you too.. even Cynic. Because yes.. I know personally I can do well with Affy... even on a single mob... BUT.. i guess where I was getting my different numbers from lies in an unmentioned theory of mine. "Trash mobs shouldn't count" because they should never wipe a raid without something bad first happening.. at least not pre-T5. No trash dps races.... So while yes.. i can see putting out a LOT more damage by using multiple targets to accrue it.. I see no real ABSOLUTE NEED for it. They will go down nearly as safe and quickly. So I guess that must be what I have been missing.. not counting trash as part of the value of the different spec's. So unless I still am not getting something about single mob Affy DPS... I concluding that Affy locks can be limited to 1 per raid (25man) as a Support Buffer.... and the rest Destro despite gears... Besdies aren't we as locks supposed to melt the faces off the bosses before the mages start crying? Seriously.. thanks for all the replies.. I love opinions and I love learning new stuff. |
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March 18, 2008, 07:06 PM
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Soulo 80 Undead Warlock Mug'Thol US PvP Guild: Imperial Scourge Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 55/0/16 |
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