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June 26, 2008, 04:35 AM
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Yawg 70 Gnome Warlock Staghelm US PvE Guild: Knights of the Rose Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 40/0/21 |
Re: Destro - DoT or don't?
I think we can all agree that Desperation's post just isn't right. While I think Thralock is on the right track keep in mind that the real world cut off is probably a little lower since often for whatever reason your dots don't alway tick the full amount. A good suggestion might be to track your information after raids every now and then and calculate your real game damage/ cast time for both SB and immolate and keep throwing Immolate until SB beats it consistantly. Also you if you do this you might notice things like maybe your immolate is only ticking 2 or 3 times on average, if this is the case you can adjust when you are using it to fix the waisted casts. As far as corruption goes, I can't really see using it on a regular basis as 0/21/40. I haven't checked it out, but it doesn;t seem like it would do enough damage with its long cast time to beat out SB. |
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June 26, 2008, 08:23 AM
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Re: Destro - DoT or don't?
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I don't know what spread sheets you guys are using to calculate your dps but the one I used told me that every spell I droped other than s. bolt and CoS gimped my dps. And this was back when I was in worse gear than I'm in now (although I had more spell damage since I was respeccing form affliciton). All the spread sheet did was confirm what I was starting to find out on my own. When I first went destro I was using an Immo/conflag cycle with s. bolting in between. The problem was I would get an ISB proc from a crit and blow most of it refreshing the immo. Then I just used an immo/ s. bolt cycle. Then I went and played with a spread sheet. From that point on I've only used CoS and S. bolt. Even on trash mobs still use CoS. your waiting for the tank to build threat anyways..might as well spend the 1.5 seconds to get it up there. If I'm not on any other curse duty then I use CoD, which adds ~200-250 dps. My highest dps output was on Mag with a shamman and CoD. there was no s. priest in the group and I hit 1440 dps. Since then I've upgraded my chest and last night I did mid 1300 while on CoE duty so no CoD with only an s. preists buff. The shaman wasn't in my group so I had no wrath of air. Figure if you added CoD and the shaman to the mix I could have hit close to 1600 dps. And this is with only T4 and badge gear, as I havent gotten a single drop from ZA or SSC/TK drop. If your playing a 0/21/40 spec, just accept the fact that your playing a one button-wonder spec.
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June 26, 2008, 10:18 AM
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Re: Destro - DoT or don't?
My bonus shadow is much higher than my bonus fire so I stick with curse then sbolt spam. For me, immolate isn't worth the GCD and mana spent on it. I'd be better off getting in a couple more shadowbolts over the course of a boss fight. If all your bonus damage is just +damage and you take the imrproved fire talents then immolate should probably be in your rotation until 4pcT6 if all you're looking for is personal DPS gains. But another shadowbolt will improve ISB uptime. It's up to you. |
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June 27, 2008, 04:34 AM
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Re: Destro - DoT or don't?
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For the "I'll play how I want" that's entirely fun. For some of us, however, we *want* to min/max and enjoy this attitude to play. Anyway, back on topic, I crunched some numbers a while ago. I found that it depends what raid buffs are up, and also noted that immolate has a better coefficient of spell damage/second than shadowbolt but obviously doesn't scale as well with crit. I think which one was better depended on raid buffs more than anything I should really run the numbers again, but that'd require me not being about to leave for work. |
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June 27, 2008, 07:50 AM
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Re: Destro - DoT or don't?
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I think most of the people that posted here are saying the same thing (well, the ones that actually tried it anyway). - the following is for 0/21/40 spec. Of course others will want to dot. - spreadsheets say immolate is an increase in dps. Live tests prove it. - immolate doesn't do more damage than a shadowbolt but it does do more damage per second of casting time. - higher end warlocks consider doting a waste of time cuz they already have a lot to focus on, watching immolate up time is distracting. - casting dots on a circumstantial situation (a silence, moving time, etc) is good. Its the only damage you can do so, of course, its an increase in damage. - you need +450 shadow damage (with full buff/debuff raid) than fire damage, to make immolate worse. I never tried but read somewhere it isn't possible to have that big difference with the available gear. - a 2.5 seconds cast corruption is never worth it, unless in circumstantial situations. - shadow bolt gets better, the better your gear (and crit) is. The better you get, the less you gain from casting immolate (thats how Blizzard made us now. The shadow 1 button spam caster). - if you cast immolate or you don't, is up to you. Consider the above and chose. Use a spreadsheet and see if its worth it. Hope it helped. Last edited by Malboro; June 27, 2008 at 07:54 AM.. |
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June 28, 2008, 03:06 AM
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Re: Destro - DoT or don't?
i personally cast immolate due to its better dpct, until i get 4/5 tier 6. Are you using a /stopcasting macro? If not that could help if your latency is quite high, as i can start casting sb about halfway through an immo cast which works out at 2-3 more shadowbolts per min, and also if you are not static you cant cast, therefore having immo ticking in the background whilst moving to avoid boss aoe speaks for itself..................Apart from thar drop corupt unless its a fight where you have to run alot e.g voidwalker 
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June 28, 2008, 04:53 AM
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Secondly if immo is hard work, you could always throw it up as and when you can rather than focusing on keeping it up. If it increases DPS using it haphazardly, say twice a minute is still better. |
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July 07, 2008, 07:36 PM
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Reny 70 Blood Elf Warlock Smolderthorn US PvP |
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July 07, 2008, 08:24 PM
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Ceausescu 80 Blood Elf Warlock mug'thol US PvP Guild: Defiant Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18 |
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July 07, 2008, 08:43 PM
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Re: Destro - DoT or don't?
In a way, this is a funny thread. If you don't want to play like a Mage, don't go destruction (of course you won't do a lot of high-end raiding as an afflic lock). Otherwise, just sb the whole way through. Someone mentioned locks having a lot to focus on as a reason why they couldn't cast a immo? If you are just casting sb's, drinking mana pots, etc, what are you focusing on? Sorry, I guess I'm trying to make the point that it's pretty sad when a lock can't dot. |
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