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Old September 23, 2008, 11:35 AM   #41 (permalink)

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Alsaladin
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Kul Tiras Euro PvE
Guild: Shadows of Doom

Re: Best Builds - you heard them here first!

For the mana problem wasnt the new Fel Armor ment to have some mp5 with it??? Or was I just dreaming it ;p

Id love to do some testing my self on the PTR but the Test Dummies in Orgri are at level 80 at least on my server

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Old September 23, 2008, 12:10 PM   #42 (permalink)

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Kiralyn
80 Human Warlock
Mal'Ganis US PvP
Guild: Self Titled
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0.13.58
Re: Best Builds - you heard them here first!

Does anyone have actual numbers, WWS parses, recount screenshots, armory profiles, or ANYTHING solid for us to get an idea of how things are panning out? So far all I've seen is a bunch of comments and rough numbers and linked builds, which really isn't telling us anything. My character xfer to the PTR hasn't happened yet, and I'd really like to get a REAL idea of how the new destruction tree looks before it goes live and I'm trying to raid with it.
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Old September 23, 2008, 12:22 PM   #43 (permalink)

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trėst
80 Undead Warlock
Kel'thuzad US PvP
Guild: Optimus Prime
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/40/31
Re: Best Builds - you heard them here first!

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For the mana problem wasnt the new Fel Armor ment to have some mp5 with it??? Or was I just dreaming it ;p

Id love to do some testing my self on the PTR but the Test Dummies in Orgri are at level 80 at least on my server
you were dreaming of it

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Does anyone have actual numbers, WWS parses, recount screenshots, armory profiles, or ANYTHING solid for us to get an idea of how things are panning out? So far all I've seen is a bunch of comments and rough numbers and linked builds, which really isn't telling us anything. My character xfer to the PTR hasn't happened yet, and I'd really like to get a REAL idea of how the new destruction tree looks before it goes live and I'm trying to raid with it.
I currently run recount on Dr. Boom. Here is what I am finding, maybe someone else can back it up.

I am 6 of 8 T6 (for comparative purposes)

SOLO DPS parses:

Imp Destro 1800 - 2100
DS/Ruin (fire) 1700-1900
Affliction/Ruin (shadow) 1600-1800

These are rough ranges but aleast what I have seen on my recounts.

NOTE: These dps figures are SOLO no party or raid.
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Old September 23, 2008, 12:26 PM   #44 (permalink)

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Reubicant
70 Blood Elf Warlock
Mug'thol US PvP
Guild: Basher LLC
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/21/40
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you were dreaming of it
A few builds ago, Fel Armor did have mana regen, which they changed to Health regen. It was not a dream.
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Old September 23, 2008, 12:29 PM   #45 (permalink)

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80 Human Warlock
Mal'Ganis US PvP
Guild: Self Titled
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0.13.58
Re: Best Builds - you heard them here first!

Desperation, do you know what your damage breakout was with the imp spec? I'm curious as to how much of your overall damage the imp is responsible for. Also, have you tried any other rotations besides the straight fire you posted toward the top of the thread? I'm hearing that maximum potential DPS is being done with Immo -> Incin x whatever -> Conflag -> Shadow Bolt x3. Obviously you need to weave DoTs and Taps in there, but on EJ that's what looks to be coming out on top. Did you do any testing with a rotation like that?
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Old September 23, 2008, 12:29 PM   #46 (permalink)

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70 Human Warlock
Medivh US PvE
Guild: Trismegistus
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Talent Spec: Destro
Re: Best Builds - you heard them here first!

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Does anyone have actual numbers, WWS parses, recount screenshots, armory profiles, or ANYTHING solid for us to get an idea of how things are panning out? So far all I've seen is a bunch of comments and rough numbers and linked builds, which really isn't telling us anything. My character xfer to the PTR hasn't happened yet, and I'd really like to get a REAL idea of how the new destruction tree looks before it goes live and I'm trying to raid with it.
Here is a video I shot earlier today with one of the builds I am testing. I did not have any points in soul leach which iI've found was a huge DPS loss. Looking at my imps crit rate is was damn near 100% and as a result my crit rating on my spells was averaged at over 70%.

My group had a Elemental Shaman, Frost Mage, Moonking, and myself. We started with a bloodlust which peaked my DPS just shy of 3700, which woudl have been possibly higher and sustained longed if I had had Imp soul leach as I had to tap at the end of hero.

I shut my imp off a fwetimes to let him regen his mana, but his dps was extremely high. I dont beleive my recount is showing his damage, i'll have to change that for a future test.

I've dropped points out of intensity, 2 from Backlash, and 1 from shadowfury to pick up 5/5 soul leach. I suspect with the change to spell push back and raid wide consentration aura that this change for mana efficiency will outweigh dps lost due to spell push back.

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For this clip I had the folowing results:

70% Crit rate on Incin
57.1% Crit rate on ShadowBolt
75% Crit rate on Chaos Bolt
100% Crit rate on Conflag
62.5% Crit rate on Immolate

My imps crit rate had to be +90%, which could have been broken or could be how he scales off my crit when I am fully buffed, as well as him having the same group buffs. I didnt even think to look at the character sheet value.

I'm going to go spec Soul leach and see if I can get a similar group for another crack at it. I have high expectations for variations of these builds in a raid now. So far, 3 group buffs gave a ~750 dps increase.
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Old September 23, 2008, 01:00 PM   #47 (permalink)

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Theleb
70 Human Warlock
Shadowsong Euro PvE
Guild: Original
Talent Spec: 0/46/15
Re: Best Builds - you heard them here first!

Downloading now....

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Excellent - and was that a Liquid Tension Experiment track? Good Choice

I would definatley agree that the mana issue screams "Imp Soul Leech" and I would love to see what kind of DPS your imp is producing compared to the estimates I have seen thus far.....try and get a Shadow Priest and go for a sustained test, I would love to see that.
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Old September 23, 2008, 01:19 PM   #48 (permalink)

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trėst
80 Undead Warlock
Kel'thuzad US PvP
Guild: Optimus Prime
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/40/31
Re: Best Builds - you heard them here first!

Improved Sould Leach is REQUIRED for this spec. I posted that a few times up. But everyone who tries impdestro has to pick up that talent.
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Old September 23, 2008, 01:30 PM   #49 (permalink)

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Pentacle
70 Human Warlock
Caelestrasz Oceania PvE
Guild: Premade
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/40/31
Re: Best Builds - you heard them here first!

Has anyone tried a 0/46/15 build for 3.0? Felguard/Ruin?

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...21500135021300

I seem to be having the best dps output with this build.

CoE
Corruption
SB
SB
SB etc...

I tried Aff and Destro and this out DPS's those by about 400-500 dps everytime. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but this seems to be working for me.
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Old September 23, 2008, 01:39 PM   #50 (permalink)

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Soulzar
70 Human Warlock
Medivh US PvE
Guild: Trismegistus
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Improved Sould Leach is REQUIRED for this spec. I posted that a few times up. But everyone who tries impdestro has to pick up that talent.
Mhmm, I saw that .. however this clip (and therefore my post) was done prior to that and i was experimenting without it.

I have since tried with the changes I noted in my last post and saw a 250-300 dps increase while solo. Just grabbing some consumables and I'm gonna try to find a group to see how that scaled.

Edit: Sustained 3k dps over 2 minutes before going oom/health with mage and ele shaman... looking for the shadow priest and moonkin now :P

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