Am I "nerfing myself" by gearing/speccing the way I do...

[Soalubus]

Hi guys,

Bit of a dilemma, in a new guild, and have just started doing Tk/Ssc. Now this is as far as I have gotten in this game, so its pretty new to me still but I pick up crap pretty quickly.

Somehow I have become the CL for my guild as apparently I am the most knowledgeable, and yes I like to think I know a bit about the class. Until I got these replies from a post that was aimed at our guilds warlocks, not every warlock in the game...here is a link..

Vision - Forum

Here is my armory link and my current spec is 21/40 Shadow/Sac.

Armory - The World of Warcraft Armory
Spec - WorldofWarcraft.com - Talent Calculator

1118 Shadow Damage (+Fel Armor)
210 Spell Hit (No +Hit Gems at All.)
21.45% Crit (Yes I know I should have 25%)

All in all, I think my spec is fine, and my gear is good enough for Destruction. And if you're going to call me a noob or whatever, dont even bother posting lol. Dont have time for people with epeen issues.

Cheers guys.

P.S. One more thing, can some one explain, I can be sustaining 1k - 1.2k dps yet someone with only 800 - 900 dps will do more damage on the meters, how does that work?

[Bodhisage]

I know a lot of people that swear that gemming for crit is a horrilbe idea. I'm not saying you should never use crit gems, but I think you would benifit more from haste/damage gems (if you have no lag issues) and let the crit come with upgrades. Once you pick up a few items w/ more crit on them you could regem for hit as needed to maintain the hit cap.

That said I think your stats are fine for a destro build.

[Theleb]

What is it you want to know? Is it a gear appraisal? Or do you need help with a talent spec? (There are extant threads for both those particular questions).

When you decide which it is, you can a) post in the relevant thread and b) keep the "And if you're going to call me a noob or whatever, dont even bother posting lol. Dont have time for people with epeen issues" attitude for the official forums because we're here to help - and in return we'd appreciate people posting in the correct sub-forum rather than opening a thread every time.

Two glaring points - gemming/enchanting for crit is counter-productive as you'll naturally accumulate that with gear, and you've got 3/3 Imp. Imp which is completely wasted in a Dem. Sac. build

Last thing.....can't see the posts you refered to on your forums - do you have to be logged in?

[Rozzenwyn]

I agree with Theleb. Not sure what it is you are asking. The link to your forums just gave me a list of posts. None that seemed specific to you so not sure what it is people were ragging you for so not able to put your mind at ease. First thing though, you have 210 hit, you ony need 202. Try to lose 8 hit somehow in favor of more damage or crit or haste. I know sometimes its difficult to balance but if you can you should. Otherwise the stats you listed are probably fine for destruction in TK/SSC. Especially if you are just at the start of those instances rather than doing full clears (which by your gear it seems is the case). I don't know enough about destruction to cover the topic of gemming for crit but I am a strong proponent of high spell damage above pretty much all else (once hit capped of course). But then that is what works best with my build.

[Malboro]

Originally Posted by Theleb

What is it you want to know? Is it a gear appraisal? Or do you need help with a talent spec? (There are extant threads for both those particular questions).

When you decide which it is, you can a) post in the relevant thread and b) keep the "And if you're going to call me a noob or whatever, dont even bother posting lol. Dont have time for people with epeen issues" attitude for the official forums because we're here to help - and in return we'd appreciate people posting in the correct sub-forum rather than opening a thread every time.

Two glaring points - gemming/enchanting for crit is counter-productive as you'll naturally accumulate that with gear, and you've got 3/3 Imp. Imp which is completely wasted in a Dem. Sac. build

Last thing.....can't see the posts you refered to on your forums - do you have to be logged in?

Well said Sir. I was gonna post an answer and then read your and thought "damn i hate that Theleb guy..."

[Theleb]

Aye, I hate me too - its infectious ;p

[Balroq]

/Agreed

Theleb said about everything I was thinking when I read the post. Seems like 3 different questions all together here. I know its easier to plug them all into one post but your gonna actually benefit yourself by separating them each and posting them in the threads they should be in. You will end up with much more organized results that point to exactly the answers you're looking for.

And yeah man, whats with the attitude? You normally would not see that kinda of response on these forums anyways

[Malevevely]

Drop the blood gem in favour of another trinket and use veiled gems to finish to 202. You only need 20% crit for isb uptime(theory based) get to this using potent pyrestones then stack the 12 damage spinals for max dps. You need to avoid using pure crit gems as they are the most poorly itemized gems in the game, combo gems if your crit is very low and pure damage or damage haste depending on your pc/preference.

As for the dps question have a look at the its damage not dps thread for a more in depth answer but pretty much it has to do with dps uptime in a fight an aff lock will have 100% dps uptime but often much less dps burst while a destro lock will have more burst and less uptime.

[Soalubus]

Ok,

a) The reason I have 3/3 Imp is because, the other two locks in the guild have 1/3 Imp and 2/3 Imp, so we can offer 3 Healthstones to the raid. Pretty much every sac build Ive seen has at least 1 point in Imp Imp. There isnt really anywhere else you can those 3 points without losing a hs to the raid.

b) Sorry about the forum link, you must have to be logged in. Basically two other locks from Deus Ex Machina on Jubei'thos, were saying, getting the spell cap is a waste of time if I'm not at 25% crit, and that I should pick up Conflag and lose Nether Protection, I dont use fire at all, pure sb spam. Quote "Hit capping yourself with that little crit is pointless beyond belief if you are Destruction"

c)The only reason I have gemmed crit is cause its too low if I don't, and as for my hit rating, thats just what is lol, I dont have any +hit gems.

So basically what I want to know is:

1. Whats wrong with my spec, and what should I be speccing.
2. Gems, what would benefit me the most if its not good to gem +crit.
3. I'm shadow destro, I should be using CoS/CoE then spamming sb right?
4. Is it really only 20% crit for ISB uptime ? I thought it was 25%. So Potent Spyrostone to 20%+ crit then pure spell damage gems or haste and spldmg gems?
5. I dont suffer from lag/frame lag, just server lag every know and again.

Thanks heaps guys.

P.S. Feel free to move this post to wherever you think appropriate >.<

[Duudinja]

Ehm only thing I want to say is mate - imp. imp don't allow you to give 3 different healthstones to raid - imp has nothing to do with that. You want imp. healthstone talent for that