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December 17, 2008, 10:28 AM
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Painfulness 80 Undead Warlock Anachronos Euro PvE Guild: Pew Pew Bunnies Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: Level 80 Raiding Builds - What are they?
Hello fellow warlocks! I'm currently level 74, leveled as affliction then switched to SL/FG at level 73 for fast leveling and soloing those group quests in Dragonblight (it works very well! although I miss UA and especially Haunt). At level 80 I plan to try switching to destro for raiding. I don't really like fire (we look like mages like that) so I tried to find a good shadow destro build. I would like to have your opinion on this build : 30/0/41. I've seen one like this somewhere in the den but i couldn't find it again but if I remember it was a bit different from this one. The basic idea is to get all possible shadow damage buff from destro tree along with better dots from affliction and Shadow Mastery. Also we need to use ISB procs charges as fast as possible (using Shadowburn and Shadowfury) so it can come up again faster (in case a Shadowbolt crit while ISB is procced doesn't refill the 4 charges). Here is the link to the build and an explanation of the talents picked. Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Affliction : Improved Corruption : 5/5, 5% more damage for dot that will always be up is always good! And +crit for SoC is good too! Suppression : 3/3, in case not hit capped it helps and if hit capped, 3% less mana is helpful Improved curse of agony : 2/2, 10% more damage for another dot that will always be up is good (unless you're on CoE) Soul Siphon : 2/2, for Drain Soul execute Improved Life Tap : 2/2, for less lifetapping Amplify Curse : 1/1, filler talent Empowered Corruption : 3/3, make favorite dot more powerful! Nightfall : 2/2, for instant Shadowbolts Siphon Life : 1/1, another dot and helps with regaining life from Life Tap Shadow Embrace : 4/5, +4% (or +8% if you stack 2) damage for dots, I take only 4 because i need 41 points in Destruction and 5/5 on Shadow Mastery Shadow Mastery : 5/5, 15% shadow damage, this is the talent I came for. Destruction : Bane : 5/5, less time casting Shadowbolt is good since I will be using it a lot Improved Shadowbolt : 5/5, +10% damage for next 4 shadow spells if Shadowbolt crits, nice since we have Shadowbolt and 2 instant cast shadow spells (Shadowburn and Shadowfury) Cataclysm : 3/3, in case not hit capped it helps and if hit capped, 3% less mana is helpful especially with our mana intensive shadow spells Ruin : 5/5, BIG crits! Shadowburn : 1/1, an instant cast shadow spell which does very good damage, great for trash when they're close to dying, not so much on bosses because of shard cost but since blizz said they're looking on our shard consumption, maybe we'll get to use it more often Intensity : 2/2, filler talent but helps reduce downtime for casting Shadowbolt and Immolate Devastation : 1/1, +5% crit for our destruction spells, who can refuse this? Improved Immolate : 3/3, +30% initial damage is pretty sweet and with Shadow Embrace boosting the dot part, Immolate will do good damage Pyroclasm : 2/2, filler talent, useful for clearing trash with Rain of Fire Nether Protection : 3/3, filler talent but pretty useful since we will be lifetapping a lot Soul Leech : 3/3, 30% chance to get healed for 20% of damage done by our direct spells is good imo and it will help for lifetapping with Siphon Life since we burn our mana fast with this build Backlash : 2/3, I take it mostly for the +2% crit it gives, giving us now +7% crit for destruction spells with Devastation Shadow and Flame : 5/5, buffing our Shadowbolt even more! Shadowfury : another instant cast AoE high damage shadow spell! I chose to take Shadowburn and Shadowfury and they provide us with 2 instant cast, high damage shadow spells, with very good use on trash. Typical rotation would be : Shadowbolt->Shadowbolt->Curse of Agony->SL->Corruption->Immolate->Shadowbolt/Shadowfury/Shadowburn .... The first 2 Shadowbolts are for getting the Shadow Embrace effect, then Curse of Agony, SL, Corruption then Immolate so these 2 end at the same time. With this build we only have 2 non instant cast spells : Shadowbolt and Immolate (which we reduce damage downtime with Intensity). Shadowburn would be used mostly on near-death trash (on bosses if have lots of shards), and Shadowfury on trash and bosses alike. These 2 instant spells help us when ISB procs we can use at best the 4 charges in 7 secs (2 shadowbolts*2.5sec + shadowburn + shadowfury) not counting haste. Since we consume the ISB charges so fast we can proc ISB again faster meaning more damage. The obvious problem with this build is that our mana will be burnt very fast. That's why I use Siphon Life and Soul Leech to help us Life Tap better. I did not choose any threat-reducing talent since from what I read tanks hold aggro really great, but in case threat is a problem we could put talent points from Pyroclasm to Destructive Reach and the point from Amplify Curse to Improved Drain Soul. I'd like to have your opinion and suggestions on this build. (Hope I didn't put any monstrosity, writing this at work not very focused). Thank you. |
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December 17, 2008, 12:11 PM
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Re: Level 80 Raiding Builds - What are they?
If this is a PVE build and rotation, you should drop Shadowfury and Shadowburn. You would be better served casting another Shadow bolt in that rotation. Those are outstanding PVP talents, however, especially with a glyph of Shadowburn which bumps your crit up some 25% when the target's below 20% health. Shadowfury is outstanding CC because it's not on the diminishing returns that Fear and Seduce are. Shadowfury is also situationally outstanding AOE. I personally went into hyjal specced all funky for Pyroclasm and Shadowfury and spammed RoF and lead to some massive damage reduction to our Pally tank, so it does have some good PVE usage, but I probably would drop it for Dark Pact and the ability to leech mana off my imp. |
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December 17, 2008, 12:51 PM
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Painfulness 80 Undead Warlock Anachronos Euro PvE Guild: Pew Pew Bunnies Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: Level 80 Raiding Builds - What are they?
Thanks for the reply Tragik! I chose Shadowfury and Shadowburn mostly for using as fast as possible the ISB procs charges : as i said i do not know if another crit from shadowbolt while ISB is up recharges ISB or we have to consume the 4 charges before ISB can proc again. If ISB charges must be consumed entirely before ISB can proc again, then I think that consuming them as fast as possible is better for DPS, and there is the utility of having 2 instant cast direct damage shadow spells. I agree about Shadowburn that can be dropped, but I think Shadowfury is useful the way you explained. One thing I'd like to know is how damage from Shadowfury compares to damage from Shadowbolt at high spellpower (I know coefficient of Shadowbolt is higher). I didn't do the math (nor can I do it right now) but if on average they do the same damage, won't it be better to use Shadowfury when not on cooldown instead of Shadowbolt in boss fights? You gain almost 1.5sec this way. |
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December 17, 2008, 01:15 PM
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Re: Level 80 Raiding Builds - What are they?
No, because you just push back the 1.5 seconds. You don't gain it. You also burn mana that you won't get back without tapping on a lower damage spell. The SM/SnF build seems like it could be good, however you need alot of crit from gear to maintain ISB (42 crit rating per 1% now). And ISB still definitely refreshes with every crit. Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft I would personally go with that. My rotation would be: Curse of Doom > Corruption > Immolate > Sbolt Spam I would have a phased imp out for my mana regeneration via dark pact. I would use the Glyph of Shadow Bolt, the Glyph of Corruption, and the Glyph of Healthstone (because personally I think this glyph is outstanding, we are the only class in WoW that can repeatedly blow this Cooldown by taking 2 seconds out of your casting rotation and making another Healthstone). You could theoretically dump Dark Pact for Shadowfury, but, PVE-wise, I think throwing that point in Eradication or Shadow Embrace would be better. That's just me though. I don't trust 5-man heroic healers enough NOT to take dark pact. |
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December 17, 2008, 09:50 PM
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Louciant 80 Blood Elf Warlock Nordrassil US PvE PvP Guild: Faith No More Talent Spec: 53/0/18 |
Re: Level 80 Raiding Builds - What are they?
I wanted to throw this out there for people who use deep aff. spec's. My current spec is 0/31/40 . I had tried this spec many times before and it could never compare to 53/0/18. Was getting over 1700 dps in raids with almost all blue armor. Mostly spell power as hit rating for me personally was hard to come by. I used the following rotation( i know some of you might think this strange) Curse of Agony> corruption> haunt> unstable affliction> Sb fill. Now most peoples complaint about affliction is that they have to watch timers and not the fight. But if you do this rotation. you can actually use haunt as a visual que as to when to recast it AND unstable affliction. As haunt returns and smacks you in the face, recast it followed by unstable affliction. Even with little to no haste. You can get off 2 sb's and 1 life tap(which after you get the 4 piece bonus from t7 will grant about 100 sp from spirit) between applications. EVen simpler if you dont want to bother with casting curse of agony . Use your improved curse of elements. lasts 5 minutes. then you basically have to cast only 2 dots. and sb spam. As for trash, don't bother with dots. just sb spam them or use seed of corruption. I don't top the dps meters in trash in clearing. but seriously, if you have an overall dps problem on clearing trash. Your whole raid should rethink what their doing wrong. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there. Good hunting and remember. It's a game. Just have fun. Lou Last edited by Wopadobop; December 17, 2008 at 09:57 PM.. |
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December 19, 2008, 12:17 AM
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Kyriel 80 Blood Elf Warlock Bonechewer US PvP Guild: Tribo Habagat Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Level 80 Raiding Builds - What are they?
Here is the build I want to try: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft I have yet to test this build as I'm not 80 yet, but I'm thinking with minimum hit (spell hit 289 + talents and buffs = 17%), 20% base crit, a little haste and a lot of spell power, (2000+ possible with this build) you will be able to pull off high fire dps. And not to mention buff your raid with at least +200 spell damage everytime your imp crits. those stats are possible as if you look at my guildmate and IRL friend's stats, he gets pretty close: The World of Warcraft Armory (I'd drop a little haste from his gear and get more hit/crit hehe) This build doesn't really intend on maximizing personal DPS, but it does help all your spell casters do a lot more damage. Its a modified version of 0/40/31 builds I've been seeing here. |
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December 19, 2008, 11:00 AM
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Blubber 80 Gnome Warlock Khaz Modan US PvE Guild: The Angrydome Talent Spec: 03/13/55 |
Re: Level 80 Raiding Builds - What are they?
I am going to try the 41/30 build. One of the locks in my guild was putting out fantastic DPS, and loved the fact the rotation was rather simple, and allowed to concentrate on the tactics of the fights. One attempt she broke 4K DPS, and was putting in low 3K's for most boss attempts. I gave affliction a try, but just dont like it. I went from being probably the highest DPS lock pre Wrath of the Lich King, to one of the worst DPS with affliction. Ignoring trash DPS, my Boss DPS still is only 1800-2200 fully buffed with ( mainly T6, deathchill cloak, T7 bloves, and some level 80 blues..) Maybe my gear is the issue (due to me being out of town when the expansion got realease, I got a few weeks behind gear wise.) I dont know maybe 2200 is normal for that gear level.. But people are looking at my like I have 2 heads with that "whats up with your DPS.." type look. |
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December 19, 2008, 02:58 PM
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Vaell 80 Blood Elf Warlock Scarshield Legion Euro RP PvP Guild: The Final Contingency Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: Level 80 Raiding Builds - What are they?
Please refer to Compendium of Road Tested Level 80 PvE Builds. to continue tried and tested end game PvE talent builds.
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