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May 06, 2009, 11:46 PM
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[Patch 3.1.2] DESTRUCTION Talent Build Discussion
This thread is being kicked off to discuss DESTRUCTION talent builds with all the changes happening each patch. Please note this thread is for DISCUSSION of builds. Don't fill it up with 'what's the best build, is this a good build, can someone give me a build' type reponses. More discussions, less spoon feeding! Feel free to shoot me an email if there are certain builds you'd like linked into this first post to discuss. thewarlocksden[at]gmail[dot]come. Make sure you include a WoWhead link of the build and a short paragraph (or more) on why you think it's worth using.
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May 07, 2009, 12:37 AM
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Re: [Patch 3.1.2] DESTRUCTION Talent Build Discussion
I switched from my 0/40/31 to 3/13/55 just to get the feel of things in preparation for next patch. I'm assuming this build will be back in the mix, right? The rotation will be little tougher in timing conflagerate(for crit chance) but I can live with that. I'm kind of curious on whether or not I should keep the conflag glyph. What'cha guys think? |
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May 07, 2009, 01:22 AM
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Re: [Patch 3.1.2] DESTRUCTION Talent Build Discussion
I would keep the conflag glyph and see what makes it to live. There have been many changes already and i'm sure there will be more to come. Another nice feature is replentishment in destruction as well. Should be interesting to see if blizz keeps everything as is without a small nerf. |
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May 07, 2009, 02:24 AM
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So 3/13/55 should be it. With the immolate incinerate and conflag glyph it is a candidate for the top dps warlocks spec. Last edited by Akasha; May 07, 2009 at 06:23 AM.. Reason: Highlighted blue so they stand out... |
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May 07, 2009, 02:37 AM
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Nomisman 80 Human Warlock Talnivarr Euro PvP Guild: Monkey Picked Tea Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: [Patch 3.1.2] DESTRUCTION Talent Build Discussion
The PTR changes to destro tree is taken into Simcraft on EJ, and now destro is ranked highest dps spec with ulduar gear, and like 10 dps under Affliction with DG with pre-Ulduar gear. |
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May 07, 2009, 05:10 AM
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Woah, I didn't know they were leaving it. I'm stoked. |
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May 07, 2009, 09:34 AM
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Callador 80 Undead Warlock The Venture Co. Euro RP PvP Guild: The Tyrus Order Profile: Talent Spec: 3/14/54 |
Re: [Patch 3.1.2] DESTRUCTION Talent Build Discussion
I'll be sticking to 0/13/58 - with the hit itemisation so high I dont think the 3% in suppression cuts it and a more versatile / higher dps build is the 13/58 - with the fix to F&B where I used to drop a point I wont want to be doing that - ive staerted dropping CoE as the buff is now supplied elsewhere in our raid (we are mostly 10 man) and moved to Curse of Agony / CoD dependant where we are in the fight - as a Fire Destro (yes even in The Burning Crusade (for the most part anyway)) for more time than I care to remember Im loving it - and Im loving the planned changes - just dont let imm be consummed take the Glyph as it is to live and im gonna be a Very Very happy chappy! |
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May 07, 2009, 12:10 PM
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Soulzar 70 Human Warlock Medivh US PvE Guild: Trismegistus Profile: Talent Spec: Destro |
Re: [Patch 3.1.2] DESTRUCTION Talent Build Discussion
Cookie cutter 0/13/58 will most likely be my spec of choice. Glyph of Conflag, Immolate, and Incinerate. Improved Soul Leech will be a very powerful talent with all the short phases in the Ulduar boss fights allowing you to not need to tap, or tap significantly less. Destruction, unlike the other 'cookie cutter' has a lot of leeway in terms of spare points to pick up the goody talents. While the 'top' simcraft destro spec includes Soul Leech, specs without ISL are not running far behind. If chosing to run with a spec that has suppresion over 3% hit itemization, you will have floater points to pickup Nether protection and/or Shadowfury. These are 'fun' talents that can be picked up without a huge hit to the overall dps performance of the spec. 3/13/53 - Suppression build. 2 floater points that can be placed in: Destructive reach - 5% more threat reduction, added range on destruction spells Nether protection - Nerfed but still decent raiding talent to avoid raid damage, good for your tanking needs. Shadowfury - Not a DPS spell, but very handy to have for a quick stun, interrupt when needed. Improved Healthstone - I personally dont feel 20% hs heal is critical, however its a nice buff to the stone that your raid will love you for. Soul Link - With fel synergy, you can greatly mitigate the damage done to your pet through soul link with heals from your spells. While from a dps standpoint its not advised to run SL all the time, there may be the odd time your called to tank a caster mob or heavy raid damage .. SL may come in handy. Shadowburn - not a dps talent, however a second instant cast for fights where you need to burn adds down quickly may be handy. It got buffed with Shadow and Flame and should be hitting decently harder now. If you have a good amount of hit on your gear you can start pulling points out of suppression to get more of these 'goodies' as you see fit. While this is not a move to make for a max dps spec, it can give you up to 5 play points for the above mentioned talents. 0/13/58 - Now if you have the hit itemization in your gear to not require suppression, want ISL for yourself and raid.. but would really like one of those utility talents like shadowfury, where do you take the point from to get it? You no longer have slush points when you spec full ISL. The math has not bee done yet with new talents so i cant not say which will be the best yet, however I will speculate. Possible sources for a point: Backlash, Empowered Imp, Pyroclasm Pyroclasm - Prior to the proposed 3.1.2 changes, math was done to show this was the least DPS hit to steal a point from. Given the changes to how fire and brimstone works to give a static 25% crit chance to conflag all the time instead of 1/3rd the time, I suspect the value point for point of this talent to be much higher. Pyroclasm may not be the best choice to take apoint out of when we could be seeing 60-75% uptime on the damage buff. Empowered imp - This is a close one. The talent is not overly strong, however my personal feeling is that due to hwo the talent is laid out that you need it maxed. pulling a point from here cuses you to gain a 33% chance that this talent will not proc on your pets crit. RNGis nor favored, and given that the proc still does not guarantee you will crit, you dont want two odds against you. From personal observation, Emp imp works out to give around 5% crit to the warlock plus the pet scaling. Using averages and by no means accurate math I estimate a point would lose you an average of 1.5% crit and 5% pet scaling. This is a larger dps loss than 1% backlash crit. However RND is a factor, backlash is a constant. Backlash - This is my choice. Crit is an expensive stat, however I feel loss of 1% crit is more favorable than the RNG game of allowing Emp imp to potentially not proc on pet crits. The above is not based on math but my personal opinion. I am sure the numbers will be crunched once we get a stable PTR build. Rotation (priority system): Startup - Immolate, Conflag, CoD, CB, (Corruption), Incin Incin is your filler, conflag, CB, and CoD on cooldown. Many people start with CoD however I like to cast it after my first conflag in case I proc Pyroclasm. If you have 2pT7 you can use corruption before incin. Once losing 2pT7 I will be casting corruption only while moving or when conflag/CB have less than and incinerate cast time remaining in the cooldown and a filler to that 1.5 second space. |
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May 07, 2009, 12:26 PM
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sassyevil 80 Undead Warlock Garona US PvE Guild: The Sesame Street Gang Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 02/14/55 |
Re: [Patch 3.1.2] DESTRUCTION Talent Build Discussion
As a matter of rotation, I was under the impression I should open with CB, then immolate, Conflagration, CB or Incinerate till CD is over on CB. As Soulzar has listed his rotation as Immolate, Conflagration, CoD, CB, Corruption, Incinerate. Again Incinerate being used as a filler. Using this rotation over the first one I mentioned I am finding that I am get bigger crits when I follow Immolate, Conflagration, then CB, tossing in a Corruption or Curse of Agony, and spamming Incinerate till CB is back up. (As far as Curse of Agony or CoD should I use these for boss fights as I do not feel it is need on Trash.) |
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May 07, 2009, 12:46 PM
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Soulzar 70 Human Warlock Medivh US PvE Guild: Trismegistus Profile: Talent Spec: Destro |
Re: [Patch 3.1.2] DESTRUCTION Talent Build Discussion
Casting Chaos Bolt first to get it on cooldown is not really a bad thing. I chose to cast it after conflag in case I proc pyroclasm as well as it being the best DPET spell to cast under backdraft. Once 3.1.2 comes out, this will most definitly be teh choice order as you will need immolate on the add for Fire and Brimstone to add its 15% scaling. Also, when burning down adds quickly, the sooner you get backdraft up.. the sooner you will be able to burst dps that target. I dont like to start with my biggest nuke when a tank may be building his initial threat in the firts few seconds. |
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