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|August 12, 2009, 12:53 AM||#1 (permalink)|
85 Undead Warlock
Tichondrius US PvP
Guild: Legion of Evil
Talent Tree: Destruction
Problems with my DPS
For some reason, my DPS has been really bad since the patch. I don't know if it is because i respecd as well or not, but it is pretty confusing. So i was wondering if some warlocks out there could look at my spec (In profile), maybe look at my glyphs, and comment on my rotation and give me some info on how to max out my dps.
Rotation = Life Tap - Immolate - Chaos Bolt - Conflagorate - Incinerate x4 Rince and Repeat (Raid Bosses get Curse of Doom after 1st Incinerate)
|August 12, 2009, 02:12 AM||#2 (permalink)|
Re: Problems with my DPS
First I would change your points around just a little bit,
you want 2/2 in demonic power as destro---- since the patch we rely on our imp even more if he crits we have 100% chance our next spell will crit). Take one out of destructive reach and put it in demonic power.
Also I understand why you want a better health stone but having one point in fel senery is a plus, we want to keep our imp alive at all cost. ( I have 2 points in fel senergy as it is 100% chance to heal our imp/pet for 15% of the spell damage we do)
Also consider changing the enchant on your hands, you have 440 hit if you are raiding with a spriest or boomkin it wont hurt you to change it to spell power. ( in a raid situation wiht all buffs you can safely drop to about 370 hit ( I have 378 and never miss)
the belt buckle you put on should have the runed scarlet ruby or the new epic Runed Cardinal Ruby - Item - World of Warcraft in it if you can get 2 blue gems to activate your meta which leads me to that.................
Consider changing it to chaotic skyflare diamond Chaotic Skyflare Diamond - Item - World of Warcraft. I know threat is a concern but the increase in damage from the chaotic is worth it -----We can Soul shatter every 3 minutes now.
Change your cloak enchant to 23 haste
(or level your enchanting and put Lightweave Embroidery - Spell - World of Warcraft on it). Other than that I would wait to spend the gold on 10 stats to chest, 63 spell power to weapon amd 30 sp to bracers. Unless you come by the mats fairly easy.
Oh yeah one more thing, I dont suggest gemming for crit........either go straight spell power, spell power /haste, or spell power /spirit. (it takes less points of haste then it does points of crit to see an actual increase), there is a formula for it but I cant think of where at the momet that proves gemming for 16 haste instead of 16 crit is more dps
You should really level your enchanting it and enchant every item you can that non enchanter cannot such as your rings example Enchant Ring - Greater Spellpower - Spell - World of Warcraft (if you are gonna have it as a professon best to use it to its fullest potential) just like your tailoring (believe it or not the Deathchill Cloak - Item - World of Warcraft is better for us as destro than the one you have on the crit and haste gained make up for the lack of stats it has) if you dont have the achievemt to make it yourself spam trade for someone who can just get the mats first its a good cloak and worth having even if you have to tip someone to make it.
Oops almost forgot your glyphs
conflag is good
Chaos bolt is kinda worthless
and for all intents and purposes life tapping is a dps loss for this spec.
You would be better of in my opinion with the standard glyphs
Glyph of Conflagrate
Glyph of Incinerate
Glyph of Immolate
Well thats it
my most humble honest opinion and here is the link to my armory
The World of Warcraft Armory take a look if ya want.
Remember according to simcraft ( this is from memory ) the most important stat is hit, then spell power, crit and haste are very close---- crit out weighing haste by .10 I feel it best to always try keep my stats balanced but that is just my way of doing it.
Be sure to use the grand firestone vs spellstone for destruction.
Unless you have lag issues, it is said that conflag should come after immo, but I will be honest, there are times I cast cb before conflag due to aggro issues ( if my imp crits and my conflag just landed and the tank doesnt have enough tps(threat per second) yet, I am gonna have to ss and stop casting)not being mean but with your haste (257) if you are casting 4 Incinerates before your next conflag or incinerate you are probably missing on all important conflag and cb.
Remember conflag increases our cast time of all other spells.
what addon do you use to keep track of them?
On a boss, always cast Curse of Doom first, get it up--get it ticking and forget about it til it's gone then you either recast if you have over 2 minutes left on fight other wise just drop it from your rotation. do not replace with another curse as it is not worth the waste of the most precious cooldown of another spell in my opinion.
I know this is long but I wanted to give you as much info as possible
I am far from the best but I do pretty decent dps---over 6k on deconstructor
|August 12, 2009, 11:53 AM||#3 (permalink)|
Re: Problems with my DPS
I agree with most of what sighmoon is saying except his glyph suggestion. Running simcraft on Trem shows higher dps with glyph of lifetap than glyph of incin.
So I suggest:
Glyph of Lifetap:
SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.2.0 ( iterations=10000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=0, smooth_rng=0 ) DPS Ranking: 3463 100.0% Raid 3465 100.0% Tremloc Player=Tremloc (destruction) DPS=3464.6 (Error=+/-1.9 Range=+/-342) DPR=13.7 RS=253.8/201.2 (mana) Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=13401194 Core Stats: strength=58(0) agility=65(0) stamina=888(740) intellect=887(730) spirit=453(282) health=16125 mana=17278 Spell Stats: power=1890(1890) hit=15.10%(396) crit=20.73%(492) penetration=0(0) haste=3.14%(103) mp5=44 Attack Stats power=48(0) hit=12.08%(396) crit=14.64%(492) expertise=0.00%(0) penetration=0.00%(0) haste=3.14%(103) Defense Stats: armor=2016(1886) Glyphs: conflagrate/immolate/life_tap/kilrogg/drain_soul/unending_breath Priorities: flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp life_tap,buff_refresh=1/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=80/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt incinerate/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1/corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1 curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/shadowfury,moving=1/life_tap Actions: chaos_bolt Count= 18.7|16.2sec DPE= 6908|12% DPET= 4181 DPR= 28.4 pDPS= 430 Miss=0.0% Hit=5174 Crit=10794|12826|30.9% conflagrate Count= 26.2|11.5sec DPE= 6588|17% DPET= 4281 DPR= 11.8 pDPS= 575 Miss=0.0% Hit=4196 Crit= 8770|10545|52.3% curse_of_doom Count= 4.0|61.1sec DPE= 12154| 5% DPET= 7665 DPR= 22.3 pDPS= 162 Miss=0.0% TickCount=4 Tick=12154 immolate Count= 18.7|16.2sec DPE= 7802|14% DPET= 5775 DPR= 13.2 pDPS= 487 Miss=0.0% Hit=1603 Crit= 3346| 3992|30.6% TickCount=91 Tick=1168 incinerate Count= 89.8| 3.3sec DPE= 5060|44% DPET= 2761 DPR= 10.4 pDPS=1517 Miss=0.0% Hit=3791 Crit= 7925| 9838|30.7% imp (DPS=293.6) fire_bolt Count=140.9| 2.1sec DPE= 623| 8% DPET= 300 DPR= 3.5 pDPS= 293 Miss=1.9% Hit= 620 Crit= 930| 1044|4.9% Constant Buffs: fel_armor Dynamic Buffs: backdraft : start=26.2 refresh=0.0 interval=11.5 uptime=54% benefit=52% empowered_imp : start=6.9 refresh=0.1 interval=36.3 uptime= 3% benefit= 4% life_tap_glyph : start=2.0 refresh=19.2 interval=40.9 uptime=100% benefit=100% lightweave_embroidery : start=6.8 refresh=0.0 interval=47.8 uptime=33% trigger=50% pyroclasm : start=13.7 refresh=0.0 interval=21.3 uptime=45% benefit=34% sundial_of_the_exiled : start=5.0 refresh=0.0 interval=61.8 uptime=16% trigger=10% Up-Times: Procs: 21.2 | 14.44sec : life_tap Gains: 17278.2 : initial_mana 57669.7 : life_tap (overflow=4.7%) 2625.1 : mp5_regen Auras and De-Buffs: Constant: Dynamic: Waiting: All players active 100% of the time. Baseline Performance: TotalEvents = 13246869 MaxEventQueue = 17 TargetHealth = 1036130 SimSeconds = 2998559 CpuSeconds = 6.235 SpeedUp = 480924 RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.001743 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000
SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.2.0 ( iterations=10000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=0, smooth_rng=0 ) DPS Ranking: 3447 100.0% Raid 3449 100.0% Tremlocincinglyph Player=Tremlocincinglyph (destruction) DPS=3448.9 (Error=+/-1.9 Range=+/-347) DPR=13.6 RS=253.5/201.3 (mana) Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=13401347 Core Stats: strength=58(0) agility=65(0) stamina=888(740) intellect=887(730) spirit=453(282) health=16125 mana=17278 Spell Stats: power=1890(1890) hit=15.10%(396) crit=20.73%(492) penetration=0(0) haste=3.14%(103) mp5=44 Attack Stats power=48(0) hit=12.08%(396) crit=14.64%(492) expertise=0.00%(0) penetration=0.00%(0) haste=3.14%(103) Defense Stats: armor=2016(1886) Glyphs: conflagrate/immolate/incinerate/kilrogg/drain_soul/unending_breath Priorities: flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=80/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/incinerate/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1 corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1/shadowfury,moving=1 life_tap Actions: chaos_bolt Count= 19.3|15.7sec DPE= 6738|13% DPET= 4229 DPR= 27.7 pDPS= 434 Miss=0.0% Hit=5053 Crit=10541|12607|30.7% conflagrate Count= 26.1|11.6sec DPE= 6412|16% DPET= 4138 DPR= 11.5 pDPS= 557 Miss=0.0% Hit=4081 Crit= 8531|10313|52.4% curse_of_doom Count= 4.0|61.1sec DPE= 12078| 5% DPET= 7617 DPR= 22.2 pDPS= 161 Miss=0.0% TickCount=4 Tick=12078 immolate Count= 18.4|16.6sec DPE= 7591|13% DPET= 5662 DPR= 12.8 pDPS= 465 Miss=0.0% Hit=1568 Crit= 3275| 3923|30.2% TickCount=89 Tick=1135 incinerate Count= 89.9| 3.3sec DPE= 5147|45% DPET= 2774 DPR= 10.6 pDPS=1543 Miss=0.0% Hit=3857 Crit= 8068|10050|30.6% imp (DPS=288.5) fire_bolt Count=140.9| 2.1sec DPE= 613| 8% DPET= 295 DPR= 3.4 pDPS= 288 Miss=1.9% Hit= 609 Crit= 914| 1029|4.9% Constant Buffs: fel_armor Dynamic Buffs: backdraft : start=26.1 refresh=0.0 interval=11.6 uptime=55% benefit=52% empowered_imp : start=6.9 refresh=0.1 interval=36.3 uptime= 3% benefit= 4% lightweave_embroidery : start=6.9 refresh=0.0 interval=47.7 uptime=33% trigger=50% pyroclasm : start=13.7 refresh=0.0 interval=21.4 uptime=45% benefit=35% sundial_of_the_exiled : start=5.0 refresh=0.0 interval=61.9 uptime=17% trigger=10% Up-Times: Procs: 20.3 | 12.02sec : life_tap Gains: 17278.2 : initial_mana 57721.9 : life_tap 2635.0 : mp5_regen Auras and De-Buffs: Constant: Dynamic: Waiting: All players active 100% of the time. Baseline Performance: TotalEvents = 13153676 MaxEventQueue = 15 TargetHealth = 1031346 SimSeconds = 3000543 CpuSeconds = 6.125 SpeedUp = 489885 RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.001939 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000
Also, when he said this
Here's my suggested rotation
LT (lowest rank possible) -> (>= 60secs to live: CoD > 30s Curse of Agony otherwise Corruption) -> chaos bolt -> incin * X -> conflag -> recast DoTs/Immolate
|August 12, 2009, 01:17 PM||#4 (permalink)|
80 Undead Warlock
Re: Problems with my DPS
incinerate/life_tap/conflagrate = 7385dps
immolate/life_tap/conflagrate = 7332dps
immolate/incinerate/conflagrate = 7262dps
Those are with my stats. I have a feeling that the amount of spirit you run with may effect this a fair amount. I'm sitting at 595 spirit right now. I have some spirit/haste gear, but I need some hit gear for my destro set to get my spirit up over 650 like my affliction set.
Take it for what's it's worth
|August 12, 2009, 02:27 PM||#5 (permalink)|
Re: Problems with my DPS
Also note the other threads about the addon "recount" being bugged. A new version came out today (8/12), this may contribute to your dps loss if you use it.
|August 12, 2009, 11:42 PM||#6 (permalink)|
80 Blood Elf Warlock
borean tundra US RP Guild: Complex
Re: Problems with my DPS
Hi im new here. I am currently having issues with my dps as well. Im destro with 0/13/55 build. My glyphs are lifetap, conflagrate, and incinerate. The World of Warcraft Armory is my armory
My rotation is life tap, curse of elements, immolate, conflagrate, chaos bolt, and incinerate spamming till conflag is back up. Im only pulling 2kdps on the heroic dummy. thats with buffs. I dont know what im doing wrong or whats missing but could s1 PLSSSS help me
|August 25, 2009, 05:20 PM||#7 (permalink)|
Re: Problems with my DPS
I seem to be having some issues maintaining consistent DPS recently.
Spec: Affliction 53/1/17
Armory Link: The World of Warcraft Armory
Rotation: SB -> Haunt -> Corruption -> UA -> Curse of Agony
World of Logs for recent Ulduar run: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis and World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
I know that I should be able to push out more DPS with my current gear, but no matter how much I practice on a dummy, and what I try to do differently in raid, it always comes out to be the same amount of fail. Any suggestions on what I can work on to try and get the DPS I am capable of?
Thanks in advance for any and all help!