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July 20, 2008, 03:03 AM
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Wrath Destruction Spell Rotation?
With Talents like Molten Core, and a nerf to Improved Shadowbolt, it almost feels like Warlocks are going to start slinging fire spells amidst the shadowbolt spams. Based on what I know, I've thought about what the potential spell rotation might be, or at least the gist of it. I don't know what else the Warlocks are getting as they level, and haven't thought of using Chaos Bolt, because I'm not sure -how- decent that spell is yet. My guess is our rotation isn't ever going to be set in stone, and that we might start switching out Shadowbolt for Incinerate depending on what procs. If Improved Shadowbolt procs, keep using Shadowbolt, if Molten Core procs, start with Incinerate. If we start doing that, are we going to want to start keeping Immolate up so that we don't waste part of the six seconds to cast it and -then- Incinerate. Here's what I'm thinking: Curse of Elements/Agony > Corruption > Immolate > Shadowbolt > Shadowbolt > Shadowbolt > Shadowbolt > Shadowbolt > Refresh Immolate > Imp SB Proc/ Shadowbolt > Shadowbolt > etc. Curse of Elements/Agony > Corruption > Immolate > Shadowbolt > Shadowbolt > Shadowbolt > Shadowbolt > Shadowbolt > Refresh Immolate > Shadowbolt/Molten Core Proc > Incinerate > Incinerate > Incinerate. Immolate would be refreshed after 4-5 Shadowbolts, which is roughly the duration of the DoT. And you might be able to squeeze in 3 Incinerates with that Molten Core proc's duration of six seconds. (Though, I don't know what happens when you have a buff for increased damage to a school of magic, and then lose it before the cast is complete.) |
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July 20, 2008, 03:28 AM
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Themorrigan 70 Human Warlock Kil'Jaeden US PvP Guild: The Collective Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/0/0 |
Re: Wrath Destruction Spell Rotation?
Actually, I'd guess that Destruction Warlocks will be spamming Incinerate full-time. Although I guess it depends what they do with ISB. I'm pretty sure it's getting nerfed, it really just depends on how much. Last edited by doogless; July 20, 2008 at 04:54 AM.. |
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July 20, 2008, 03:53 AM
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Rleab 70 Warlock US PvE |
Re: Wrath Destruction Spell Rotation?
Immolate -> Shadowbolt til the buff thingy procs for +fire damage and -shadow damage -> Incinerate til buff fade -> shadowbolt spam til procs again -> repeat If it procs often enough you'll never need to refresh immolate. Trash would probably be incinerate spam. |
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July 20, 2008, 06:44 AM
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Re: Wrath Destruction Spell Rotation?
Wouldn't the buff be put up by the affliction locks in the raid spamming SBolt in between curse rotations. It would basically be Curse of choice / Immolate / Incinerate and then Curse / Incinerate - throw in a Chaos Bolt whenever it is up, watch your imp, perhaps heal it a little if it gets low. |
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July 20, 2008, 07:22 AM
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Re: Wrath Destruction Spell Rotation?
ISB is going to lack the raid synergy it has currently so there's not really a lot of reason to stay Shadow as there are more compelling reasons to spec fire. Curse > Immolate > Incinerate till end for a fire spec Warlock, relying on Eternal Flames, Molten Core and possibly MD with an active Imp.
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July 20, 2008, 10:44 AM
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Re: Wrath Destruction Spell Rotation?
I think you'll still see 1 shadowlock in a raid flinging shadowbolts for ISB but they will have to carry some decent crit. With the new talents you'll want one tree to complement the other. Something like this: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft A full shadowbuild |
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July 20, 2008, 12:37 PM
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Overlock 70 Gnome Warlock Turalyon Euro PvE Guild: The Dottagers Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Wrath Destruction Spell Rotation?
The other thing is that affliction warlocks might generate dps to make them viable again too, so we might see more variety in the warlock community altogether. As for destruction, I think fire spells might have an advantage, even with a pet summoned out for a change ('improved soul leech' talent heals the pet now). |
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July 20, 2008, 02:05 PM
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Re: Wrath Destruction Spell Rotation?
well looking at all the talents I think the fire lock with imp out Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft |
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July 20, 2008, 02:42 PM
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Rleab 70 Warlock US PvE |
Re: Wrath Destruction Spell Rotation?
Well seeing how molten core procs on shadow spell only and periodic shadow based damage, I think we'll see curse of agony as the best DPS curse of us. Or we can delv into affliction for an instant cast corruption to avoid using Curse of Agony over utility curses. Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft I thought about taking 2 points out of improved immolate and putting them into demonic power. Actually that probably would yield more DPS. But something like that would maintain MC. Curse of choice -> Immolate -> Corruption (to make use of GCD) -> Incin spam -> make sure imp doesn't die. This can be a rotation for people who are casting the utility curses like recklessness and elements. EDIT: fixing my talent tree. Noticed something I don't like. Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft this one is much better for casting utility curses. Of course affliction would be better for curse of elements, but someone is going to be on recklessness duty and you'd lose a very nice DPS proc by not casting Curse of Agony to proc molten core. EDIT x 2: Noticed frailty. Looks like having 2 "malediction" affliction locks will be beneficial with enough melee DPS. Last edited by Rleab; July 20, 2008 at 02:56 PM.. |
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July 20, 2008, 03:04 PM
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Re: Wrath Destruction Spell Rotation?
First off the class designer announces this morning that the sac pet change was being reverted with a slight tweak...which I would read as = less of a buff to damage As destro http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=IZf...ZVcGVr0dVcibcx is the build i would like to see viable. Where for most fights your imp would be able to survive and be your little fire dps buddie and be higher dps than sacking. But on fights where he was unsustainable you would be able to sac him or another pet with out taking a huge dps hit. As far as cast rotation goes shadow bolt does not enter into the mix for destro at all but it wont be incinerat spam either. It will be more like immolate, shadowflame(if there are no conerns about breaking cc) incinerate x6, shadowflame. My reasoning, immolate is obvious it buffs incinerate and the ticks have a chance to proc molten core(fires equilavant of ISB), shadowflame because both the direct damage and dot aspect of this spell can proc molten core and then 6 incins at which time the CD on SF will be up. of course this will all need minor tweaking as haste is added into the mix. One thing that I have not seen mentioned is the dps increase the new talent imp backlash will give destro locks. This should drasticly reduce lifetapping on boss fights and should pay off if you are a good lock who pots early and often on boss fights. |
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