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August 19, 2008, 05:38 PM
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Phearcat 70 Human Warlock Crushridge US PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 6/45/10 |
Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?
Demon Spec 6/45/10 been one pretty much my entire time playing Wow, I have only seriously rolled character to a high level and thats my demon lock. I do a combination of raiding, instances and the occasional arena or BG. Most of my time is spend farming badges from kara for more gear upgrades. I had on soooo many occasions have peole ask me, how come you don't go destro spec? do you respec for raids? you would outdo the mage if you were demon spec. etc. Why demon spec? I happen to really like my felguard. When i go out farming for stuff with any other pet is so much difficult. Felguard is also amazing in BG's and Arena and hey protects me during raids. No question that he helps keep stuff off of me. Is destro really all that cracked up to be? To me going destro is kind of like rolling a mage IMO.I like controlling my pet and having a character where all you do is just spam show bolt seems a tad bit boring to me. Always #2 beyond the mage which is similarly outfitted in raids but being the absolute king of DPS doesn't matter to me that much, I enjoy figuring out the fights and downing bosses. Yetso many people seem to think that every other than destro on a geared locke = fail. I don't understany why demon spec gets so little respect even when I am beating most other classes. |
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August 19, 2008, 05:45 PM
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Drayke 80 Undead Warlock Daggerspine US PvP Guild: Sacred Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?
Destro isn't necessarily a better raiding spec intrinsically, but the gear itemization at the end-game tends to favor destruction. Some warlocks on these forums have experimented with felguard build raiding with mixed results, but the bottom line is that on a DPS race, with end-game gear and haste, destruction is the new SM-Ruin. That said, up to T5, it is generally accepted that Affliction offers the most raid DPS as it relies primarily on +damage, and there's no particular requirement for crit or haste to do well with it. A 0/40/21 build can also dominate in some situations. I know in Sunwell a well geared and grouped destro warlock can pull 3.2K DPS on Brutallus with lusts and drums of battle. As far as I know, reliably achieving that level of DPS with other builds at the moment is unlikely. One other consideration is that Affliction uses a lot of debuff slots, and on the occasions where we add an affliction lock, folks start complaining about their debuffs getting knocked off. With destro, toss up CoE/CoR, and then it's just spam SB or Immo/Incin until seasoned to taste. Last edited by Korth; August 19, 2008 at 05:50 PM.. Reason: Minor grammatical adjustment |
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August 19, 2008, 05:58 PM
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Ceausescu 80 Blood Elf Warlock mug'thol US PvP Guild: Defiant Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18 |
Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?
Well there is a gear threshold where destro is just simply the best hands down by a significant amount. However, people have translated that backward to saying destro is best in all examples, which simply isn't true. Neither affliction or demo can possibly put out the most raw damage like destro can given similar gearing, but well played affliction and demonology locks are quite good at damage output. The real question becomes your intent to play. If you are in a progression guild that needs each dps/tank/healer to be min/maxed to the hilt, then you should be destro; whereas, if you are just playing to have fun and progression is only a sidebar, then you should play whatever you prefer. (this assumes levels of progression and gearing beyond gruul's/kara.) Honestly though, SLSL was the most efficient spec I ever farmed with and destro sac with my gear can pretty much 1-2 shot most mobs in dailies and farming. I personally never enjoyed felguard that much and I don't see it as such a great advantage for farming and solo play. I did enjoy UA and I agree that shadowbolt spam is repetitive and boring. To answer your question yes destro sac is all it's cracked up to be and then some if you have the gear. Since you say you enjoy downing bosses and figuring out fights, you must then agree that sometimes it isn't about what's fun but rather what kills the boss that determines how you should play. |
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August 19, 2008, 06:07 PM
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Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?
Destro locks are more gear based infact they are 100% gear and skill of the player based. where as demo is totally based on the skill of the player and not so much of the current gear. destro is favored later on in gear (as mentioned above) but its also a bit harder to get used to. all i really found it to be is SB spamming w/ Dots and i cant really handle that cuse i would rather roll a mage (/chops off his family jewels). personally i would stay demo spec its better all around spec IMO with its versatility to max DPS and solo ability in one. However thats just my thought |
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August 19, 2008, 06:07 PM
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Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?
Just to play Felgaurd's Advocate here (lawl) Demo doesn't bring much to the table in raid when compared to the other two raid specs. Destro brings one of the top notch DPS builds in the entire game (any class). Also it keeps the ISB debuff up for Spriests and other locks. Affiction brings great utility with 5/5 SE and 3/3 Mal, and does decent damage. Demo does good (even excellent) damage, but it's not on par with destro and lacks the utility of affliction. And if your FG happens to die you lose a ton of dps. Healers also have to heal him and this could put a strain on bad ones.
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August 19, 2008, 06:12 PM
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Phearcat 70 Human Warlock Crushridge US PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 6/45/10 |
Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?
Spell HIT capped, 1320 spell damage buffed, 19% crit and my primary haunts are ZA and Kara. Yes, I find the fights in ZA challenging. When I reach Sunwell which could take 6 months or more and I'll respec destro for the boss fight. Meanwhile I don't believe demon spec = failure.. but then again presception can equal reality. |
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August 19, 2008, 08:40 PM
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Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?
The statement assumes endgame gear. Demo can outperform destro, and has been seen in many cases doing so until T6 really takes hold. 4 peice on T6 can't hurt, while 2 piece on T5 favours demo. I say this as destro as I can't be bothered with the hassle of demo, I will try it in Wrath of the Lich King, but I want to make sure I'm focused on learning bosses and working on the fine details of my damage, rather than losing half my DPS on a bad day. |
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August 19, 2008, 08:43 PM
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Elricc 80 Human Warlock Nagrand Oceania PvE Guild: The Silver Hand Talent Spec: Destro |
Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?
There is also the "ezimode/ no skill needed" image that can be attached to demo spec. I do feel this is unwarranted because its a whole lot easier to send pet in & auto shot (hunter), spam frost bolt (mage) where warlocks do need to manage their pet a lot more at times.Add dot rotation,life tap,aggro mangement etc & it becomes far less "ezimode". There is also an OP element to the argment-when the felguard first came out they were a tad overpowered. While waiting for the rest of the guild to turn up to do onoxia (Pre BC) a warrior asked how good the "new" felguard was? We dueled my new FG against him- I just siced my pet on him & stood & watched it demolish him  . I had comments made after everyone else died on the naga before the last boss in SV so I just had FG tank 1 whilst i chain feared the other & dotted the tanked naga untill my Fg was low on health & the feared naga was at max range then feared the first & healed my pet till the other got back. rinse & repeat till both dead. I have never found a better character to farm with. The reasons could probably just go on & on. All this gets other players jealous 
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August 19, 2008, 09:46 PM
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Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?
Karazhan -> Gruul = Affliction works best. Felguard builds work too but you have to be careful without 2pT5 and/or having a SP. Destruction is just plain weak for obvious reasons here. SSC -> TK = Affliction works still but this is where a Felguard build shines as very few bosses cause you grief. Destruction will sort of be okay here but optimally? Other builds surpass it. HY/BT -> Sunwell = Destruction. AoE effects like Azgalor/Archimonde/Illidan make the FG build gimped severely. Affliction still works and may even shine on certain bosses but... Destruction works best here. This is when going destruction is worth it. You get benefits from good critical ratings, availability of haste, plenty of gear with inate spell hit, etc |
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August 20, 2008, 02:06 AM
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Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?
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In T5 instances, never found any spec that would do better than dest. As long as you have 202 spell hit, 20ish% crit and 1200+ shadow damage, no other spec will do better. |
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