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Old September 29, 2008, 10:14 AM   #41 (permalink)

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Koldfeat
80 Undead Warlock
Draenor US PvE
Guild: Trouble
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Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?

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okay, from what I've read here the re-occuring theme, is similiar to the one pre-The Burning Crusade, and back when I played EQ as a Necro. Guild/Raid Leaders not knowing what the hell all the classes can do. Demo is a big bag of tricks. Destro, one trick pony... spam SB.... BORING...

I've been Demo since Day 1, and as I filled out my Demo talents, I picked up some Affliction as my secondary tree. To me, Dest = gimped Fire Mage... and if I wanted to play a gimped Fire Mage, I'd roll a Mage.

Yeah, it takes too long to educate raid leaders that the warlock is not there to provide CoE and ISB. It's a DPS class. And played right, and carefully (hint, target the CENTER mob when spamming Seed of Corruption), we can and will out DPS Dest Locks in better gear.

A few months ago I went on a SSC raid for basically the first time (I'm not counting a Hydross Kill 6 moths prior). Me, Demo/Aff lock in 4/5 T4 and the GOOD Badge Robe. Other lock, Destro punk who has been to SSC and Tempest Keep repeatedly in 2/5 T5 and some other stuff. Well, seeing as I didn't know what the hell I was doing or how this guild did things (single pull trash, wtf?!), I spent a LOT of time sucking dirt. But guess who was near the top of the Damage meter?
Demo is a big bag of tricks, none of which is even close to as good as a Dest locks one trick.

Dest is boring, dest locks know this, its funny how all these demo locks think that dest locks are lazy or something or that they choose that playstyle. A few probably do. The truth is that actually killing raid bosses and actually progressing is NOT boring. Dest locks go dest because it provides more raid dps and faster progression than any other spec, period.

In fact, you ARE there to provide CoE or CoR and s-bolts, you are there to be a death dealing s-bolt cannon, not beg for heals for your pet or waste time and attention micromanaging you pet.

A dest lock is not a gimped mage, a mage is a gimped lock. A mage is there to sheep trash, a lock is there to bring massive amounts of pain and destruction.

Wow, this one time you out dps'ed a dest lock? Ever wonder why you never hear a dest lock brag that he out dps'ed a demo lock?

Here's what I think the big difference between raiding demo or affliction locks and raiding dests lock is. Demo and affliction are idealists, they want a world where they are free to choose whatever playstyle they enjoy and they are willing to ignore or deny facts that show otherwise. Dest locks are realists, they realize that the world is not as they would wish it and that in a raid environment there is one "best" way and they are willing to do what's best for the raid despite what their personal preference may be.

In Wrath of the Lich King aff and demo locks will still be aff and demo locks, but dest locks will be whatever spec turns out to be the "best" whether thats aff or demo or dest.
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Old October 01, 2008, 08:40 PM   #42 (permalink)

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70 Human Warlock

Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?

You know I always wonder again, why so much hate against demo locs, speically by destro locks? Are the destro locks afraid, worried? If so its ok, its ok there will in all likelhood still be more ardent destro supporters than demo supporters. Anyway apprantly in Wrath of the Lich King one no longer has to be 1 button sbolt spam, affliction i hear is pretty sick and my guess demo will be like shadow priest. -You bring 1-2, maybe 3 no more. So dont worry destro fanactics your place will still be there, and if not change is good

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Old October 10, 2008, 06:53 PM   #43 (permalink)

Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?

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Just to play Felgaurd's Advocate here (lawl)

Demo doesn't bring much to the table in raid when compared to the other two raid specs.

Destro brings one of the top notch DPS builds in the entire game (any class). Also it keeps the ISB debuff up for Spriests and other locks.

Affiction brings great utility with 5/5 SE and 3/3 Mal, and does decent damage.

Demo does good (even excellent) damage, but it's not on par with destro and lacks the utility of affliction. And if your FG happens to die you lose a ton of dps. Healers also have to heal him and this could put a strain on bad ones.
How many Demo 'locks you see running around w/o 5/5 ISB???

Yes, it's a Destro Talent, but no good Demonolgist gives up 5/5 ISB if for nothing more than to get 5/5 Bane. The SB is THE damaging part of the Demo spec; believe me, I've tried doing w/o it, it just hurts DPS too much in a Raid.

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Old October 10, 2008, 06:59 PM   #44 (permalink)

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Dunwich
80 Undead Warlock
Drenden US PvE
Guild: Kitten Soup

Re: Whats with the stigma of Demon Locks?

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How many Demo 'locks you see running around w/o 5/5 ISB???

Yes, it's a Destro Talent, but no good Demonolgist gives up 5/5 ISB if for nothing more than to get 5/5 Bane. The SB is THE damaging part of the Demo spec; believe me, I've tried doing w/o it, it just hurts DPS too much in a Raid.

Until patch 3.0.2...then, ISB can sit it out for me. I've tested on PTR, not worth it compared to other buffs. But, in the good old BC days, befor ethe ISB nerf...well, that was a good talent to have.
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