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October 28, 2008, 02:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jaykzo Character Info Jaykzo 80 Blood Elf Warlock Laughing Skull US PvP Profile: Talent Spec: 56/0/15	No use for ISB or Bane with Heavy Affliction? After seeing my Drain Soul tick for 800 above that poor Dreadfang Lurker's head while farming for shards, I started thinking that it might be a better filler for in between DOTs. Considering a full rotation now only gives me time for about ONE shadowbolt before I have to re-apply some DOTs, I don't think the points spend in reduced casting time/mana or the debuff given by ISB would be too practical for anyone with a heavy affliction build. The points I take out of ISB and Bane could be better spent in Eradication, which I believe would reduce the time it takes to complete Drain Soul. Anyone have some charts or stats or whatever on the dps differences between casting SB or Drain Soul in between DOT rotations?

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October 28, 2008, 03:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
froshaka Status: Subscriber Character Info Froshaka 80 Blood Elf Warlock Alexstrasza US PvE Guild: Is A Living Legend Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55	Re: No use for ISB or Bane with Heavy Affliction? Perhaps Im not understanding the effect spell haste has. does spell haste cause spells to be 'cast' faster or would a DoT say for example Corruption, actually tick faster with improved haste? I recently dumped Eradication for Bane in order to make Haunt and Shadow Bolt cast faster.

October 28, 2008, 03:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
TPMdm	Re: No use for ISB or Bane with Heavy Affliction? I've been doing just that. Although with the glyph and the spellstone shadowbolt seems a little speedier and efficient than before.

October 28, 2008, 03:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
TheOccult Character Info Devoid 80 Gnome Warlock Antonidas US PvE Guild: No Drama Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58	Re: No use for ISB or Bane with Heavy Affliction? IMO I dont think you should base your build changes on fights with trash, you should only consider boss fights. you would never cast Drain Soul on a boss. Also, because roughly a third of your DPS should come from SBs, Bane is essential. ISB is questionable since its effect now only apply to SB and Haunt. It might be better spent in +hit espec if your not hit capped, which I am not. I've spec'd with 5 in ISB, but bout I'll change that when I next re-spec. On Eradication, theres's some math behind it that you can look up here, but because of the cooldown, it doesnt appear to be worth investing more than 2 points in it. Last edited by TheOccult; October 28, 2008 at 03:57 PM.. Reason: clarification

October 28, 2008, 04:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
Legatto Character Info Legatto 70 Gnome Warlock Kael'thas US PvE Talent Spec: 53/8/0	Re: No use for ISB or Bane with Heavy Affliction? Who said anything about trash vs. bosses? The OP simply noticed that drain soul is hitting a lot harder than it used to and was wondering if it might be a better filler spell than SB. Aside from damage (I'm not on beta so I have no idea which would provide better DPS at 80) the only issue I see with Drain Soul over SB would be relying only on haunt to keep Shadow Embrace on the target. When the patch goes through to reduce the cooldown of Haunt, this will be much less of an issue. I'll certainly plan to test this out since it would free up a lot of points in Destruction that are only there for one spell(SB).

October 28, 2008, 04:30 PM

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Shienna

Character Info
Shienna
80 Human Warlock
Zenedar Euro PvP
Guild: Contaminated
Talent Spec: 0/56/15

Re: No use for ISB or Bane with Heavy Affliction?

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Originally Posted by froshaka

Perhaps Im not understanding the effect spell haste has.

does spell haste cause spells to be 'cast' faster or would a DoT say for example Corruption, actually tick faster with improved haste?

I recently dumped Eradication for Bane in order to make Haunt and Shadow Bolt cast faster.

Haste doesnt affect dots at all, they only affect the global cooldown.. So basicly: Shorter GCD -> More dots in shorter time -> More DPS.

October 28, 2008, 04:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Zeroindex Character Info Warloco 80 Blood Elf Warlock Twilight's Hammer Euro PvP Guild: DeathWishers Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/40/31	Re: No use for ISB or Bane with Heavy Affliction? According to patch info, Drain Soul was supposed to do 4x damage at 35 or 25% mob health. It still ticks around the 800 mark from the word 'go' to the phrase 'you have received a soul shard' Hopefully Blizzard are going to fix this, because if you're getting 4x damage on 35 or 25% of the mobs health, you're gonna have Drain Soul ticks going for 2.4k, and it's at that point that even I (Felguard/Ruin) would stop casting shadow bolts, as Drain Soul would be quite an awesome finisher __________________ "There's nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others, is there?" -Clerks

October 28, 2008, 04:57 PM

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TheOccult

Character Info
Devoid
80 Gnome Warlock
Antonidas US PvE
Guild: No Drama
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58

Re: No use for ISB or Bane with Heavy Affliction?

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Originally Posted by Legatto

Who said anything about trash vs. bosses? The OP simply noticed that drain soul is hitting a lot harder than it used to and was wondering if it might be a better filler spell than SB.

Aside from damage (I'm not on beta so I have no idea which would provide better DPS at 80) the only issue I see with Drain Soul over SB would be relying only on haunt to keep Shadow Embrace on the target. When the patch goes through to reduce the cooldown of Haunt, this will be much less of an issue. I'll certainly plan to test this out since it would free up a lot of points in Destruction that are only there for one spell(SB).

Ah, I pointed that out because he mentioned a Dreadfang Lurker which is trash. Also, pointing out that there is a difference between trash mobs vs. bosses is why Bane is essential. Per the subject, the OP is wondering if he should drop Bane & ISB.

October 28, 2008, 05:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
levinho Character Info Ceausescu 80 Blood Elf Warlock mug'thol US PvP Guild: Defiant Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18	Re: No use for ISB or Bane with Heavy Affliction? Only the last rank of drain soul (rank 6 from level 77) currently is affected by the 4x damage. The other ranks are unaffected. Drain Soul is a better filler at the moment level 80 in deep affliction (although i think this is silly.) The 4x effect does not stack with death's embrace and does not occur if you have talent points spent on it. Essentially the locks raiding on beta as affliction are using drain soul as an execute maneuver; however you do still need to keep up haunt and the dots in your rotation. On to eradication, due to the 30 sec cooldown and the fact that it won't be up immediately after the 30s has passed, the talent provides maximum benefit if you only place one point in it. I believe the math I saw on the beta forums showed that the first point was worth 12% haste after everything is accounted for and that the second was worth about 6% and the last point was worth about 4%. This means that there are better ways to spend those two points. Now the most glaring thing I saw is that you said you have just enough time for a single cast of shadowbolt. I don't see how that would ever give you enough time to take advantage of the ticks of Drain soul. Channeling drain soul takes even longer than the cast time for shadowbolt. You may see 1 tick in the same timeframe you would see a unimproved cast time Shadowbolt (i.e. no bane.) In reference to the 2nd post DoT's do not ever tick faster (at the moment); however it's a change that many are asking for. Channels like Drain Soul do tick faster though and are effected by haste.

October 28, 2008, 09:20 PM

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Zeroindex

Character Info
Warloco
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Twilight's Hammer Euro PvP
Guild: DeathWishers
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/40/31

Re: No use for ISB or Bane with Heavy Affliction?

Also to note, the mana usage of all "lower ranks" of Drain Soul have had their cost increased (more than final rank last time I checked), so even if you're Destro and you only use drain soul to collect shards, make sure you have "final rank" (i think it's Rank 6) in your Drain Soul spot on your hotbar.

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