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November 26, 2008, 12:04 PM
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Kiralyn 80 Human Warlock Mal'Ganis US PvP Guild: Self Titled Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0.13.58 |
Destruction Mana Issues
I ran a Naxx-10 last night and had serious mana issues throughout the night. I was constantly oom, and was unable to find a sweet spot in tapping to maintain DPS at any level. So, I decided to do some digging... Base mana value pulled from wowwiki. Spell cost values from wowhead. Warlock base mana at level 80: 4294 Chaos Bolt (7%): 301 Conflagrate (12%): 515 Immolate (17%): 730 Incinerate (14%): 601 A destruction cycle consisting of Conflag, Immo, CB, Incin x5 costs 4551 mana. My armory here. This is a raid spell hit set, maintaining 4pc T6 bonus. My mana unbuffed is at 10941. I consider this fairly decent gear to enter into Naxx-10. My mana pool can support 2.4 DPS cycles. At 17 seconds per cycle, thats DPS for about 40 seconds before going oom. (Leulier shows OOM time with no life taps at 49 seconds.) Ladies and gentleman, a destruction warlock can DPS for roughly 45 second before running out of mana. Anyone else see a problem here?
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Hell, it's about time. -Tychus Findlaw Last edited by Kiralyn; November 26, 2008 at 12:06 PM.. |
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November 26, 2008, 12:30 PM
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sassyevil 80 Undead Warlock Garona US PvE Guild: The Sesame Street Gang Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 02/14/55 |
re: Destruction Mana Issues
Kiralyn those are some scary stats you just laid before us. Destruction appears to be broken pretty servery at the moment. |
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November 26, 2008, 12:38 PM
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re: Destruction Mana Issues
I am also having similar issues, I have been destruction and raiding for over a year and always in the top 3 damagers. I went into Naxx last night and was WAY behind on damage and ran out of mana super fast. I went and specc'd to affliction but missed a critical talent and also have low spell damage because my gear was for level 70 raiding destruction. What do we do now!? Do regular dungeons to get gear and what spec is best for those coming from level 70 raiding guilds without good level 80 gear? My armory:The World of Warcraft Armory |
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November 26, 2008, 12:41 PM
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re: Destruction Mana Issues
I pulled 2600 DPS on Patchwerk last night in mostly T6 with a Succubus-based Demonology build last night. You can still pew-pew, but just like in BC, DT builds with DK turn the stats on your gear to spellpower and you get 20% crit from talents alone, easing the hit you take to not miss with spells (446 hit is brutal on your item allocation). |
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November 26, 2008, 02:30 PM
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re: Destruction Mana Issues
I noticed the same mana problems when I went into 10 man naxx with mostly level 70 gear. I then got some up grades from naxx 10 and a couple heroics and it didn't seem to be as much of and issue in 25 man. Now that I have also gotten a couple upgrades from 25 man. I'm at a little over 13K mana and life tap is giving me back about 3300 mana per tap it doesn't seem to be as bad. With the new gear I have I'm at 2K spellpower and keeping up dps wise. On an avg. naxx 25 man run I am usally anywhere from 6th to 4th on the damage meter. Not 1 or 2 like I use to but still up there so I can live with it. |
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November 26, 2008, 02:40 PM
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Kiralyn 80 Human Warlock Mal'Ganis US PvP Guild: Self Titled Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0.13.58 |
re: Destruction Mana Issues
Can you link your armory? I'm curious about the level of int and spirit you currently have.
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November 26, 2008, 06:36 PM
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Re: Destruction Mana Issues
tried the armory and it said data unavailable, but I have 688 int and 371 spirit. So that gives me 14313 mana and puts my life tap at 2603. That is unbuffed so its a little more 25 man buffed. Last edited by Trainwreak; November 26, 2008 at 06:38 PM.. |
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November 29, 2008, 08:11 PM
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Sehv 80 Undead Warlock Kilrogg US PvE Guild: Psycho Beast Killers Talent Spec: 0/40/31 |
Re: Destruction Mana Issues
Yes, mana is in a slump if you're very deep destro. I decided to throw out conflag simply because it ate too much mana and the backdraft tended to leave me with a clipped immolate and I sucked at timing it. The glyph was not worth the spot, so I forwent the backdraft. I did however keep it and threw away soulburn for a nice burst dps. Utility ftw. Either way, in any spec, time your lifetaps so they least interrupt your cycle; always use it when you need positional movement, unless your corr/Curse of Agony has completely expired. Use it more often than not, and avoid chunking (3 lifetaps in a row) unless that is optimal for your spec (aka depending on how well my cycle goes, I may pull my imp for pet mp5 and then tap 3 times as a 'catch up period' in my cycle when there is low heal stress on the tank). Good luck, and if you find another spec works better for you, switch! Part of your spec's effectiveness is who you play with, and several other class skills/talents will return mana to you. If it works, take em with a smile. |
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November 29, 2008, 08:39 PM
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Jesterlock 80 Gnome Warlock Quel'Thalas Euro PvE Guild: The Order of Azeroth Talent Spec: 3/15/53 |
Re: Destruction Mana Issues
Just did our first Naxx run (10 man) I'm at about 1900 spellpower, 310 hit rating, 20% crit and 8% haste raid buffed, with 18500 mana and 23k HP. We had no replenishment class, but we had a holy pally judging wisdom. I did 2700 dps on patchwerk, and i had no mana issues at all. i'm 0/14/57. My lifetap gives back about 3000 mana (29xx) So it's not such a big problem for me. Just be carefull not to lifetap when you have molten core or other nice buffs, and always LT when you have Curse of Agony/Corr/Immo on target. LE: i used conflagrate. |
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