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April 27, 2009, 09:37 AM
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Glargh 85 Undead Warlock Hellscream US PvE Guild: Convictions Talent Tree: Destruction |
Shadowburn useless in PVE?
My offspec is using Fallenman's 0/41/30 build. I like it for AoEing trash in naxx and Ulduar fights like Razorscale. The only thing I can't understand about the build is why the point in Shadowburn? I remember liking Shadowburn back in BC days, but the spell only hits for about 1500 damage for me now. I can't see the point in wasting a global cooldown and risking wasting a shard, especially in this spec where shards can be hard to come by. It's seems like I will never cast this spell. I can maybe see a minor use in PVP, but even then, I'm not sure. Would it be worth spending the talent on one point of improved shadowbolt and casting one every 30seconds in a boss fight? At the very least, it seems like the point would be more useful spent on Molten Skin. What am I missing? |
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April 27, 2009, 09:55 AM
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Kalium 90 Human Warlock Baelgun US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Demonology |
Re: Shadowburn useless in PVE?
Make sure you buy the last two ranks... it's something easily missed if you didn't level Destro. Kalium
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April 27, 2009, 10:20 AM
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Re: Shadowburn useless in PVE?
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doesnt matter if he "buys" the last two ranks. Its still a non-pve spell 
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April 27, 2009, 10:25 AM
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Glargh 85 Undead Warlock Hellscream US PvE Guild: Convictions Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Shadowburn useless in PVE?
You were exactly right, I didn't have the last two ranks. Thanks My last Shadowburn cast on a target dummy hit for 1900 and I got a crit in for 3700. I guess it is worth casting it once in a while when there isn't enough time for a soul fire execute. Since the mob is already about to die, it doesn't seem useful in any way except for a tiny amount of bragging rights on the damage meters. Am I missing something else? |
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April 27, 2009, 10:37 AM
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Re: Shadowburn useless in PVE?
I have always been told ShadowBurn is a waste unless you have to move AND you don't need to tap AND you don't need to refresh any DoTs. THEN you use shadow burn. Fallenman and Elitest Jerk geeks have posted a lot on this...don't have the links though. |
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April 27, 2009, 10:56 AM
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Ngatayou 85 Gnome Warlock Khadgar US PvE Guild: Little Rascals Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Shadowburn useless in PVE?
Shadowburn is pretty bad, which is sad. Even in PVP. It hits like a pillow. No PVE build should be wasting a point on this talent with how bloated our trees are. |
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April 27, 2009, 12:58 PM
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Rather than say what is "sad" about a build, perhaps you could add constructively what should be in the build instead? I only see 4 other choices in order to be able to move further down the destro tree beyond the 4th tier. 1) ISB - That build doesn't use shadow bolts 2) Molten Armor - Shouldn't be taking a lot of damage in PVE and we're buffed anyway stam wise 3) Demonic Power - We don't use succy or imp in that spedc 4) Improved Searing Pain - Not really used often Out of these, I think I would end up taking Molten Armor maybe instead of Shadow Burn. There is a lot of raid wide damage these days and perhaps every little bit can help. With that said, I love shadow burn in PVP and in PVE I've not found it to be completely useless. In PVP, even if it's a "hits like a pillow" spell, an instant cast is nice if it makes the difference between breaking fear and getting a heal off before I can cast my next spell and getting the kill shot. And in PVE, I've also used an instant cast to just get that last bit down on a mob knowing I only have a second left and it may be casting a heal or something equivalent also (eg acolytes in Thorim ... yes, they could be interrupted -- but why not just finish the mob off also?). For main boss fights though, yeah it seems pretty suboptimal as a spell, I would agree. |
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April 27, 2009, 01:13 PM
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Re: Shadowburn useless in PVE?
It's great utility for a spare point. No, it's not useful for fighting a boss. What it's great for is trash, specifically when you are fighting 2 or less mobs and you won't have time to let a DoT tick or get a Shadowbolt off before the mob dies. Just hit Shadowburn for the kill, and it's all good. When taking down trash packs with AoE, once I've done 1 or 2 Rain of Fire and we're down to 1 or 2 mobs left, again no time for DoTs to tick and if it's going to die before Shadow Bolt both casts, travels, and hits, I'll finish it off with a Shadowburn. It's good to help your DPS on trash that dies fast even if you put a dot or 2 on it and have time for a couple of shadowbolts, if I have time for that last Shadow Bolt, but I don't think that's going to finish the mob off, I'll cast Shadow Bolt and hit Shadowburn so they hit at about the same time or very close. It also soothes me, as nothing pisses me off like having mobs die before Shadowbolt hits three times in a row, so by finishing them with Shadowburn I am a much happier Warlock. So in PvE Shadowburn is useful when things die fast, but not on bosses which is all the theorycrafters concern themselves with. Given that none of the other places to put that point are worth anything, it's decent utility. In PvP this is a nice little finishing move as well. Yep it should do more damage, but when you make it hit at the same time as a Shadow Bolt, it's pretty good, especially when you are pumped up in Meta.
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April 27, 2009, 01:45 PM
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Glargh 85 Undead Warlock Hellscream US PvE Guild: Convictions Talent Tree: Destruction |
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April 27, 2009, 02:17 PM
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Re: Shadowburn useless in PVE?
Sure, drain soul if you need shards. But basically just for killing things faster and keeping your DPS up on trash. Drain soul won't tick fast enough to actually do any damage, so if you have a full shard bag, might as well shadowburn. It's not "padding", it's actual DPS, I just would rather actually do damage than stand around for the last 4 seconds of the fight doing no damage. It's not a hundredth of a second, but it might kill things a second or two faster certainly. Not a big deal on one trash mob, but after hundreds it all adds up. Like it or not, people watch recount, so keeping your DPS up even on trash can be important. If you are a hardcore raider, you probably don't care, but many of us don't fit that mold and need to care about "irrelevant" things like trash DPS in a pug. There isn't really anything better to spend that point on in any case.
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