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Old May 06, 2009, 12:05 PM   #1 (permalink)

3.1 Preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs

Here is a list of preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs. Most of this is courtesy Zakalwe on EJ, via the simcraft thread. Simulationcraft on post-3.1 specs - Elitist Jerks Remember that simcraft is a simulation. It's meant to theorize the best possible outcome for each spec in a stand and fight raiding scenario. Simcraft is often correct in its projections, at least in terms of top dps specs.

One more very important and quick note. Lifetap glyph. Please, realize that if you are using a spec that uses the lifetap glyph, THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD BE LIFETAPPING EVERY 20 SECONDS. That is, and to be honest, always has been completely incorrect. You should only be lifetapping when you need mana. Ideally what this means is that you'd be able to predict exactly how many lifetaps you needed over the course of a fight in order to end the fight as close to OOM as possible. Then, you'd spread those lifetaps out evenly over the fight.



53/1/17
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9767
Pet: Succubus

Glyphs
-Haunt
-Life tap
-Curse of Agony

Rotation:
Open up with SB and haunt if precasting is possible. If not (or after sb/haunt), use corruption, then UA, then Curse of Agony. SB as filler, refreshing dots as needed. Refresh haunt as soon as the cooldown is up, but do not cancel a previous spell cast. Below 25%, drain soul replaces shadowbolt as filler.



0/13/58
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...31051335230351
Pet: Imp

Glyphs
-Conflag
-Immolate
-Incinerate

Rotation:
Curse of Doom, Immolate, Conflag, Chaos bolt, then Incinerate. Conflag every time the cooldown is up, and follow it with your fillers, prioritizing Immolate > Chaos Bolt > Incinerate. Note that this spec provides replenishment to the raid.

Another variation of this spec is 3/13/55. The rotation is the same.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...31051035030351









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Old May 06, 2009, 12:57 PM   #2 (permalink)

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sighmoon
80 Human Warlock
trollbane US PvE
Guild: The Forgotten
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 00/13/58
Re: Preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs

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Old May 06, 2009, 01:09 PM   #3 (permalink)

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80 Blood Elf Warlock
Echo Isles US RP Guild: Nightfall
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Talent Spec: 3/14/54
3.1 Re: Preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs

You say to conflag on every Cooldown, but with the glyph change, that is only 1 time during your immolate now, and it has to hit the last 5 sec. of it. Or did they decide to leave the glyph alone? Or was testing done with the old glyph? meaning this data is invalid? Just curious because destruction has always been my favorite tree.
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Old May 06, 2009, 01:25 PM   #4 (permalink)

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80 Gnome Warlock
Khadgar US PvE
Guild: Can Heal Stupid
Talent Spec: 0/56/15
Re: Preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs

The glyph on the PTR right now is the same as live.
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Old May 06, 2009, 01:30 PM   #5 (permalink)

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80 Human Warlock
Terokkar US PvE
Guild: Vae Victus
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Talent Spec: 0/13/58
3.1 Re: Preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs

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One more very important and quick note. Lifetap glyph. Please, realize that if you are using a spec that uses the lifetap glyph, THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD BE LIFETAPPING EVERY 20 SECONDS. That is, and to be honest, always has been completely incorrect. You should only be lifetapping when you need mana.
As has been said for affliction, and since this comes from the apparent source of this thread - posted by Zak:

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The only exception (as far as I can tell, without having tried all combinations) is for affliction locks with 4-piece T7, the explanation for which is probably a combination of their high spell power scaling and their relatively "cheap" GCDs.
Alot of people take your word as gospel, Fallen, so please be careful.
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Old May 06, 2009, 02:05 PM   #6 (permalink)

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3.1 Re: Preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs

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As has been said for affliction, and since this comes from the apparent source of this thread - posted by Zak:


Alot of people take your word as gospel, Fallen, so please be careful.
Its true for all specs. In a 40 second fight you should not tap at all (except at the start), just burn through your mana. Its more dps that way says simcraft!

Would be fun if Fallen starts saying some really stupid things, and see how many people follow... its not Fallen's fault if people don't think for themselves before following an advice.

There was a lot of confusion over at EJ since people forgot how the use of the Life Tap glyph came about, and then were wondering why it wasn't used in the replenishment destro spec (you guess why, because you barely need to life tap with that spec... ). Was fun to read :D
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Old May 06, 2009, 02:06 PM   #7 (permalink)

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Khloro
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Khadgar US RP PvP
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Re: Preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs

Thank you Fallen. A few threads ago you posted how unfriendly Uldar was to pets , and I must say you hit the nail on the head. I was only able to keep my FG up in 3 fights or so. I had to change to an imp spec. I do like that Destro is getting some attention.
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Old May 06, 2009, 02:19 PM   #8 (permalink)

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80 Blood Elf Warlock
Echo Isles US RP Guild: Nightfall
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Talent Spec: 3/14/54
3.1 Re: Preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs

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The glyph on the PTR right now is the same as live.

If that is the case, then the Specs are not truely valid comparisons of what to expect in the 3.1.2 release, correct? That only is a significant DPS change if executed properly in a destruciton rotation. Do you agree, assuming that the glyph change is coming as stated?
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Old May 06, 2009, 02:24 PM   #9 (permalink)

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80 Gnome Warlock
Khadgar US PvE
Guild: Can Heal Stupid
Talent Spec: 0/56/15
3.1 Re: Preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs

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If that is the case, then the Specs are not truely valid comparisons of what to expect in the 3.1.2 release, correct? That only is a significant DPS change if executed properly in a destruciton rotation. Do you agree, assuming that the glyph change is coming as stated?
Uh....the change to F&B is pretty big for Destro. It should increase damage significantly. The non-change to the Conflag glyph is a buff. Immolate benefits very little from Backdraft since it's cast time is so low to begin with, so you'd rather cast Incinerate or Chaos Bolt.

The glyph not changing is better than the glyph changing. Because the rotation is torturous without Immolate staying up through conflag.
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Old May 06, 2009, 02:32 PM   #10 (permalink)

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Firepit
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Echo Isles US RP Guild: Nightfall
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 3/14/54
3.1 Re: Preliminary 3.1.2 Raiding Specs

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Uh....the change to F&B is pretty big for Destro. It should increase damage significantly. The non-change to the Conflag glyph is a buff. Immolate benefits very little from Backdraft since it's cast time is so low to begin with, so you'd rather cast Incinerate or Chaos Bolt.

The glyph not changing is better than the glyph changing. Because the rotation is torturous without Immolate staying up through conflag.
I agree the glyph not changing is way better, was just thinking that the loss of dps from actually casting conflag, wiping the immolate and having to recast it, even if you time it perfectly, would change the spec by certain amount of dps +/-, probably -, which would mean that it may not really be the top spec. F7B is significant, but based on EJ's list is what I was referring too of which spec is best in simulation. I do not know myself, i am asking, because it just seems mentally logic that it would be a loss of a few dps (maybe 2-300 dps??)? Thoughts? If the glyph is unchanged and they leave it alone, then there is no doubt it is best, but they stated they were going to change it.

As i said Tragik, I do not know myself, just asking the question.
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