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May 18, 2009, 12:45 AM
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Frejya 80 Human Warlock Aerie Peak US PvE Guild: Endure Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/16/55 |
Has anyone else noticed a jump in damage dealt by SV hunters and rogues?
Apologies if this has been covered already. Pre 3.1 I was competitively keeping pace with our SV hunter in the guild. I was one of the top geared peeps in our guild as was he and we were two of the top dpsers in the guild, save a rogue. Now admittedly rogues suffered (as has been previously addressed multiple times here) in keeping up, but this particular rogue was always top dps. Don't know how, never rolled a rogue. Too biased from getting my *** waxed by them in pvp ;) Post 3.1, I'm basically the same spec (hybrid 41/30 - I hate affliction). Now, those two same toons, the hunter and rogue, are outstripping me and the rest of the guild by around 10% of the total damage (based off of recount, and yes, I know its not definitive, but it IS a good litmus), whereas before there was only a few percentile points difference between them and the rest of the guild. Has anyone else noticed a jump in damage dealt by SV hunters and rogues? Or is it just these two who seem to have found the sweet spot. I simply can't keep up and I'm a pretty good lock. My gear is being outpaced by some of the other locks in more hardcore guilds, but pre ulduar it was pretty nice. Some constructive criticism here would be appreciated. |
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May 18, 2009, 01:34 AM
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Re: Raid DPS and Me
First you might want to fix your profile b/c it doesnt link yer toon..I am assuming this is you.. The World of Warcraft Armory 1. It looks like your not hit capped - do you take +hit food before raids? If you looking at boss fights you need to be capped in Uldar. 2. What rotation are you using ? When I am on CoE duty my personal dps is heavily gimped b/c Curse of Agony procs molten core more frequently than Corruption..plus you loose the damage bonus of Curse of Agony in exchange for better raid utility for the other casters. 3. (Most Important) - Uldar is not pet friendly - so which encounters are you talking about? a fair amount of the uldar fights are a bit like Thad in Naxx..ie: stand in this zone to get this buff (Vezax, Thorim etc..)...if toons can burst quick w/o pet assistance then these toons will generally do better in a most Uldar encounters. I personally specced affy to remain competitive on Mimiron and found doting all 3 parts constantly very very effective. Uldar is not 0/41/30 friendly and moving yer FG out constantly or loosing his uptimes hurts your deeps. My guild is the same...SV Hunters supreme then rogues followed by Affy locks. Cheers S_W |
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May 18, 2009, 03:59 AM
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Frejya 80 Human Warlock Aerie Peak US PvE Guild: Endure Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/16/55 |
Re: Has anyone else noticed a jump in damage dealt by SV hunters and rogues
Ya, sorry about the broken link. I haven't updated my profile in a bit. The set I'm wearing on the armory profile is my trash set. I've got 444 hit rating with my boss set. I agree that Ulduar is unfriendly to pets, and its encouraging to know I'm not the only one experiencing this phenomenon. My rotation is Curse of Agony->Corr->Immo->Inc, then Decimate rotation at max range (if possible) while keeping life tap up as near to 100% as I can without killing myself. I've noticed these two consistenly dealing more damage, but tonight it was REALLY evident when we did Heroic EOE. I know that's not pet friendly either, and honestly, I'm tired of blizz making so many pet unfriendly boss fights without taking the pet classes into consideration, especially warlocks. Edit: I've updated my profile link. Oddly enough, I can keep the gap closer in 10 man than in 25 man. Which was the opposite pre 3.1. Last edited by Frejya; May 18, 2009 at 04:02 AM.. |
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May 18, 2009, 05:18 AM
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Re: Has anyone else noticed a jump in damage dealt by SV hunters and rogues
The first and only fight I've come across that is truly pet unfriendly in Ulduar is Mimiron, especially the 2nd phase. Nothing else approaches that, and nothing else approaches Sarth and Heigan, the only pet unfriendly encounters pre Ulduar. Also, claiming pet unfriendliness of encounters as a reason for lower damage doesn't make much sense when you're being beaten by a hunter. The affliction lock in my guild who often topped all damage meters in Nax went 41/30 after a week in Ulduar and improved his boss damage dramatically. I went 41/30 since another lock went Meta and recently was top overall damage in 4 out 6 boss kills in Ulduar in one evening. I don't disagree that hunters and rogues can do great dps and damage, I often get beaten by them too. But I beat them as well. Many classes are very close in damage right now and many lock specs are also very close in damage as are many hunter specs, (not sure about rogue specs). So I really disagree that your damage problems stem from pet unfriendly encounters or 41/30 being bad for Ulduar or SV hunters being overpowered. The hunters that top our meters are usually Marks. I do have a tip for you though. I took a point out of master summoner and put it in mana feed for my 41/30 build. I found my felguard going OOM before and but never anymore. As I said before, the only fight where I missed the insta-resummon was Mimiron, but even there I learned how to keep him alive during phase 2, and if he dies, no biggie, you get plently of time between phases to do a slow resummon if needed. Last edited by Koldfeat; May 18, 2009 at 05:33 AM.. |
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May 18, 2009, 06:17 AM
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Comino 80 Human Warlock Outland Euro PvE Guild: Game Sense Profile: WoW Rankings Talent Spec: 53/01/17 |
Re: Has anyone else noticed a jump in damage dealt by SV hunters and rogues
Tbh I have the same problems.....when I go naxxramax I can easily achieve over 5K dps in 25man raids (6.8K lately on Thaddeus without pet) and on 10 man I can as well achieve 4K. I went around 3 times Ulduar 10man and my DPS dropped drastically. Tried both affliction and as well 00/41/30 and deep destro but had same problem whereas I noticed that all other dps`ers including as well Paladins where doing around 3.8K while I was only doing between 1.8K to max 2.4K. I was even advised about this situation and in 2 occassions kicked out due to lack of dps. I know my rotations are good especially with affliction since I would not be doing the DPS above if my rotation was horrible and moreover even for 10man raids I always take Frost Wyrm, pet food and haste or spell power food. I know that I need to practice more and know the bosses tactics more but having a DPS decrease like that I think something is wrong somewhere. |
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May 18, 2009, 07:41 AM
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Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Has anyone else noticed a jump in damage dealt by SV hunters and rogues
Well i can't say i know anything about your build being deep affliction, but i went to Ulduar last night and the succubus just doesn't stay alive. Neither does the felhunter. At the end of the day these pet unfriendly fights are not good for warlocks. Every class has a certain type of fight in which they shine. Unfortunately Ulduar doesn't give such a great example of fights where locks can shine, but then again if we could all stand and nuke for every fight the raids would get boring very quickly. I like affliction because we don't rely too much on burst and can still spam the odd thing on moving around fights. I just think that some fights can't cater for all classes. Ulduar is a challenge for locks but it's a case of learning, researching and doing the best your class can do. It's alright for melee, they can run around nuking the boss where he goes, but as a caster we have to be stood still, and bosses like hodir make that very difficult. |
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May 18, 2009, 09:12 PM
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Re: Has anyone else noticed a jump in damage dealt by SV hunters and rogues
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Uldar is very pet unfriendly..many posts on this issue already. S_W |
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May 19, 2009, 07:17 AM
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Re: Has anyone else noticed a jump in damage dealt by SV hunters and rogues
The other thing to consider is that people aren't yet "settled" into the fights. Naxx wasn't difficult from the get go, and it didnt take long to get so used to the fights you could focus on maximising your dps. In Ulduar, with fights being a lot more hectic, probably most people aren't yet at the "Farm" stage on most bosses, so you're not yet settled in enough to be focusing more on your DPS over staying alive. Rotation issues, less instants, etc, can make a big difference in these cases, especially if you're moving unnecessarily. Give it some time, and see how you start to stack up as you get more used to the different fights.
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May 19, 2009, 09:42 AM
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Re: Has anyone else noticed a jump in damage dealt by SV hunters and rogues
Before 3.1 affliction warlocks were the top tank and spank class in the game. This information was derived from the meters at wowmeteronline. I know in my guild and most pugs I was always at the top and it usually wasn't even close. Sarth was one of the few exceptions. Since 3.1, however, warlocks have fallen to about 4th place, behind mages, rogues, DKs and just barely above hunters. This is across all specs and according to number crunching based on the average class dps found at wowmeter. I know I have seen hunters, rogues and DKs in my guild improve significantly, and it's sure not because they finally learned to play their class. Last night I went into a heroic VoA pug and watched 4 hunters take the top 4 spots on the meters, 300-500 dps ahead of my warlock. As to the pet survivability issues in Ulduar, I'm hoping that the 3.1.2 destro spec w/imp will help a lot. |
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