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Old May 29, 2009, 12:28 PM   #51 (permalink)

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Fizzik
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Dunemaul US PvP
Guild: Ghosts of Damnation
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58
3.1 Re: Post your thoughts & suggestions to threat topic on official forums

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my ele shammy will trade you dps and better scaling for better threat reduction talents
honestly I think you're the one that's wrong, comparing melee vs caster is like comparing apples and oranges
melee pulls aggro at 110% we don't, they don't have a better aggro reducing talent, they just have ones that makes them equal to us ( exception to this is DKs as pointed out by Rutiene )
Problems with Ele Shammy DPS don't really invalidate the point - besides, as a hybrid class, shammy's shouldn't be pulling the same dps all things being equal. Ignoring for a second all the points in the original post, anecdotally, how often have you seen ele shammy's (or any other class) pull aggro (not talking here about people who pull before the tank gets threat)? Now how often have you seen locks pull aggro? In your next 25 man, keep a close eye on your omen - pretty sure there's a lock up there with the tank - and if you have more than one, they're all up there with him.
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Old May 29, 2009, 12:34 PM   #52 (permalink)

Re: Post your thoughts & suggestions to threat topic on official forums

I do believe our general omen goes something like

rogue
magex3
hunter

or something like that. granted our warlocks ain't the world's best players around ( imo ), but it's a valid point and i'll keep that in mind when i raid this weekend.
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Old May 29, 2009, 12:45 PM   #53 (permalink)

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Fizzik
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Dunemaul US PvP
Guild: Ghosts of Damnation
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58
3.1 Re: Post your thoughts & suggestions to threat topic on official forums

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I do believe our general omen goes something like

rogue
magex3
hunter

or something like that. granted our warlocks ain't the world's best players around ( imo ), but it's a valid point and i'll keep that in mind when i raid this weekend.
For some reason I've pugged a lot of groups lately with multiple locks and my omen is almost always = tank, warlock, warlock, warlock... etc etc. My recount is usually rogue, shadowpriest, warlock...

Not that this proves anything, but I think an objective analysis of threat (if there were some omen data dump) would show that point for point of damage, locks generate more threat than any other class.
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Old May 29, 2009, 02:29 PM   #54 (permalink)

3.1 Re: Post your thoughts & suggestions to threat topic on official forums

we run with 3 mages 2 warlocks 95% of the time ( roughly, eg 1 lock was away last week due to RL event ).

the mages are some of the best on server imo since I've cleared everything from MC to Naxx(40) with them. the warlocks are re roll from another class back when The Burning Crusade was about spriest lock shammy.

but yea getting an objective analysis of threat would be interesting tho bit hard to do since nothing is perfect in this world
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Old May 29, 2009, 03:08 PM   #55 (permalink)

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Malasada
80 Undead Warlock
Trollbane US PvE
Guild: Tribute

3.1 Re: Post your thoughts & suggestions to threat topic on official forums

Our best geared warlock is always top of the threat meter. Even as a much-worse geared 'lock (relative to him and our tanks), I'm still usually pushing 2-5th in the threat meters despite what I would consider good use of soulshatter, though at my gear level it usually doesn't put me in danger of dying (though I'm always wary of being 2nd dps to a hunter in threat as I know as soon as the tank loses it I'm gonna be #1 reaally quickly).

Thought on a change: Rather than a misdirect to the tank ability as suggested above, how about a misdirect ability/talent to your demon? Say 5% of your current threat gets transferred to your pet every second for 10 seconds, usable every 2-5 minutes. Then you can add a cool graphic like your demon grows all big and turns green and says something snarky like "you're gonna get me killed, you owe me one ". Or a passive talent that just transfers some of your threat directly to it.

I'd love to see the VW get a threat transfer ability built into its taunt. Imagine how annoying it would be to have those big blueberries taking up monitor real estate in a raid setting for your melee...(plus would be nice for solo-ing). Yeah, maybe I'm just overly fond of the big galoot now that I find him immensely useful in BGs.
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Old May 29, 2009, 04:40 PM   #56 (permalink)

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Kiralyn
80 Human Warlock
Mal'Ganis US PvP
Guild: Self Titled
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0.13.58
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honestly I think you're the one that's wrong, comparing melee vs caster is like comparing apples and oranges
What exactly am I wrong about? Also, please locate and make use of your 'shift' key.
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