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July 13, 2009, 12:20 PM
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Demonic Pact & overwrites
Hi all, I was in Naxx25 over the weekend, and got flamed by another lock (he's Destro, I was deep Demo). He was shouting that I, due to Demon Form, was costing the entire raid 10-15% less damage. I was suitably confused by this comment, but the other lock promptly /ignored me when I asked for some details. The rest of the non-locks all are now very worried, thinking I'm costing them DPS, and I couldn't categorically tell them I wasn't. So I'm still wondering what the guy's issue was, and would like to ask the lock community if they know what might have been going on. a) Does DP overwrite Totem of Wrath, specifically if ToW is giving a higher buff? b) If DP *did* overwrite ToW, and my FG died, would the ToW buff get reinstated automatically (assuming the totem was still there). c) Is there anything in Meta that can cause a raid-wide debuff? (apart from the mega threat to me due to immo aura). d) Do curses overwrite each other? I was casting Curse of Agony when moving, as the other lock was casting CoD. (CoE was by a third lock, who was curiously silent). Any ideas welcome. thanks Waldini |
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July 13, 2009, 12:27 PM
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RomaGoth 80 Human Warlock Durotan US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 30/41/0 |
Re: Demonic Pact & overwrites
I will attempt to offer some assistance, but I am sure there are others here who may know more than I. a) Does DP overwrite Totem of Wrath, specifically if ToW is giving a higher buff? I am not positive of this, but I would think the more powerful of the two would remain in effect. b) If DP *did* overwrite ToW, and my FG died, would the ToW buff get reinstated automatically (assuming the totem was still there). Not sure, but my guess is that yes it would, assuming that it was not in effect in the first place. c) Is there anything in Meta that can cause a raid-wide debuff? (apart from the mega threat to me due to immo aura). None that I know of. d) Do curses overwrite each other? I was casting Curse of Agony when moving, as the other lock was casting CoD. (CoE was by a third lock, who was curiously silent). Curses do not overwrite each other. Only time this would happen is if you cast a curse, then cast a different curse, the most recent cast would be in effect. I have seen multiple Curse of Agony on the same target. I was suitably confused by this comment, but the other lock promptly /ignored me when I asked for some details. The rest of the non-locks all are now very worried, thinking I'm costing them DPS, and I couldn't categorically tell them I wasn't. Do you know what the lock's name is? Roma
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If I want your opinion I'll have my Felguard beat it out of you. Last edited by RomaGoth; July 13, 2009 at 12:33 PM.. |
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July 13, 2009, 12:45 PM
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Re: Demonic Pact & overwrites
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I don't really want to get into a name-and-shame flame-athon, but I'm posting here with the same character as in the raid - so please, if the other 'lock reads this, please /w me, as I'd like to resolve it. ty! |
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July 13, 2009, 01:08 PM
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RomaGoth 80 Human Warlock Durotan US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 30/41/0 |
Re: Demonic Pact & overwrites
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July 13, 2009, 01:11 PM
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Facemurder 80 Gnome Warlock Ajzol-Nerub US PvE Guild: Clan Battlehammer Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/17/54 |
Re: Demonic Pact & overwrites
Roma is right, and that other lock is silly. You are not costing the raid damage. Trust me. If ToW is stronger than DP it will overwrite DP. If your FG dies and ToW is down, ToW will be in effect. Ignore that lock and continue what you're doing. TBH, if you have a decent amount of spellpower you are actually HELPING the raid with dps.. DP will give more SP and if you are using SB and have ISB, the mages will have improved DPS also because they don't have to be scorching.
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July 13, 2009, 01:17 PM
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RomaGoth 80 Human Warlock Durotan US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 30/41/0 |
Re: Demonic Pact & overwrites
According to Wowikki: Quote:
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July 13, 2009, 01:33 PM
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Lephlock 80 Blood Elf Warlock Earthen Ring US RP Guild: Team Awesome Talent Spec: 0/55/16 |
Re: Demonic Pact & overwrites
They do not stack in terms of the SP buff, the higher of the two simply applies. What does happen is that the totem buff's your spellpower, which increases your DP buff a bit. The other locks don't know what they are talking about. Firstly, nothing about Metamorphosis affects the raid. The only thing that DOES affect the raid, is the Demonic Pact buff, which is a completely separate talent. If you do not need the DP buff in your raid, you can spec Meta WITHOUR DP and do more personal DPS. I'm curious, what is your raid-buffed spellpower? Have any trinkets that buff that during the fight? It is possible for your DP buff to over-write the spellpower buff portion of the totem, but ONLY if it's giving a greater buff. I'm not sure why your raid would be upset that you were giving them MORE spellpower. Something else to consider... if your DP buff is = or > the shammy totem buff, the elemental shammy could put down a DPS totem instead and crank another 500 DPS or maybe more. Let's also not forget about Improved Shadow Bolt. Quote:
More to the point... I'm not sure I'd want to play with those folks given this sort of behavior. It's bad enough that they are being jerks, let alone jerks that don't know their own class.
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July 13, 2009, 01:57 PM
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RomaGoth 80 Human Warlock Durotan US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 30/41/0 |
Re: Demonic Pact & overwrites
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July 13, 2009, 02:02 PM
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Re: Demonic Pact & overwrites
Just had a quick spin around to look into Demo builds. One of the "musts" apparently on this build is to keep the Felguard alive as a main priority. On your armory build you did not take the Master Summoner which brings your pet back fast. So, (and only you would know this) if your pet was dying frequently, with no instant summoning back, then perhaps that was what the other warlocks were picking up on. Felguards dps (I'm given to understand) accounts for appx 20% of a warlocks personal dps, which may fit into this as well, if in fact it was a pet alive issue. In any event, people in a raid who start bellowing about others, or put people on /ignore instantly are not the cream of the warlock crop imo. |
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July 13, 2009, 02:05 PM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Demonic Pact & overwrites
enough people already said it, but still I'm gonna reinsure you that you are doing nothing bad to your raid. I don't know of any ability that would actively reduce the damage output of other players in the game (ok, banish...). I have no idea what the other warlock could be referring to... I think he's just an idiot. Just find better people to raid with, I hope for you that it was in a pug and not a guild mate. Cheers |
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