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Old July 16, 2009, 01:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3.1 Affliction PvP Build

Hey everyone,

I've been getting more and more into Battlegrounds lately. In my quest to find something that works for me, I pieced together a 55 / 16 / 0 build and glyph combo.

Here are some of the Perks that I was after:
Snares with Shadowflame/Fear (see glyph and imp. fear)
Strong Corruption/Siphon Life (glyphed)
Instant Howl of Terror
Survivability with Soul Link (glyphed) and Fel Vitality

I only had the chance to do one run with it in WSG this morning before I had to run off to work. It seemed to perform better than some of my previous builds. I thought I would see if any of you had used something like this before, see potential problems with it, or suggestions for improvement. It's been quite a while since I've played any PvP outside the occasional World encounter. My goal is to gain enough honor to begin building up my gear.
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Old July 16, 2009, 02:16 PM   #2 (permalink)

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3.1 Re: Affliction PvP Build

I just clicked on your link and it is a 55/16/0 not a 50/0/18, did I miss something.
BTW I like the looks of that.
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Old July 16, 2009, 03:00 PM   #3 (permalink)

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Not much into affliction, but that does look good. however i would have to recommend getting the curse of exhaustion in there as well. PVP Locks are GGRREEAAT at crowd control and having this curse will help out alot. if you can throw it on a handful of players (Tab and Cast) you will be helping tremendously.
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Old July 16, 2009, 03:31 PM   #4 (permalink)

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I run an affliction pvp build. Go to my armory to check it out.
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Old July 16, 2009, 03:38 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I just clicked on your link and it is a 55/16/0 not a 50/0/18, did I miss something.
BTW I like the looks of that.
oops, good catch. I originally linked the wrong build, I fixed the link, but not the text.

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Not much into affliction, but that does look good. however i would have to recommend getting the curse of exhaustion in there as well. PVP Locks are GGRREEAAT at crowd control and having this curse will help out alot. if you can throw it on a handful of players (Tab and Cast) you will be helping tremendously.
That is a good point. My original thought was focused on survivability. Running in, spam tabbing with Corruption to get the dot and Siphonlife effect, instant howl when need to, and using Fear and Soulfire as my replacement for Curse of Exhaustion. But having a third way of slowing people down, one usable on multiple targets at a distance, would be useful as well. I wonder where I would free up 2 points for that.
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Old July 16, 2009, 03:57 PM   #6 (permalink)

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That is a good point. My original thought was focused on survivability. Running in, spam tabbing with Corruption to get the dot and Siphonlife effect, instant howl when need to, and using Fear and Soulfire as my replacement for Curse of Exhaustion. But having a third way of slowing people down, one usable on multiple targets at a distance, would be useful as well. I wonder where I would free up 2 points for that.

i personally would take it out of Demonic Brutality and Soul Siphon.

Honestly i hardly ever get the chance to use siphon life in PVP. i go as far as i can with what health i have... if you have the time Drain Life then you could just pop a healthstone, health potion or if you are an herbalist you can use life blood. but when it comes to facing someone one on one in a battle, you will pretty much never use drain life because you need to worry about killing the enemy as quickly as possible, and if you need to heal you need something instant. plus most likely if you start draining life they will stun you, or do something to stop that cast because they know they are dying and you are healing from it. the few times i have personally tried it did not work out too well for me. isn't worth the talent points in my opinion.

to give a little health boost i will sometimes use a scroll of stamina VIII. it gives me an extra couple thousand HP. you may blast through them quick so use them carefully like when you are getting ready to get into an important battle, not one that you will die in within 3 seconds... and i use it alot when we don't have that many enemies. that way i know i have a less likely chance to die, and the Stamina boost gives me an extra boost. but i am a scribe and i spend most of my ink and supplies on these. totally worth it in my opinion. plus soul link on your demon helps. i figured up it gives an extra 4000 HP roughly. so survivability is good!


oh and what demon are you using? i am assuming the Giant Blueberry right?

if you are, i would like to add that they are not that useful for PVP except to uncover rogues. which is an incredible addition to the battle, and if that is what you want then by all means do it! but if you are looking for Damage or helping you out as much as possible, as affliction i would use the felhunter (my favorite) or the Succubus


the felhunter can take debuffs off you, and take buffs off your enemies, they can spell lock too which is AWESOME to send after Healers. it bothers the crap out of them and really does the job; and of course the Succy can seduce some of em' which can never hurt... so it's up to your play style and what you want! but if you want to replace your blueberry you can drop the Demonic Brutality altogether. maybe put one in Fel Synergy to make up for the 10 points needed to continue down the demon tree


here is what i think. TALENT TREE ... but again i do not know alot about affliction, but just looking at what you have to work with this is what i recommend. the point in health funnel will help out if you find your demon low on health, but with fel synergy it won't happen much. but for some reasons some healers don't like healing demons, i usually have to ask them to, so when i do get a break i will use my health funnel to fix him.
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Old July 16, 2009, 04:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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i personally would take it out of Demonic Brutality and Soul Siphon.

Honestly i hardly ever get the chance to use siphon life in PVP. i go as far as i can with what health i have... if you have the time Drain Life then you could just pop a healthstone, health potion or if you are an herbalist you can use life blood. but when it comes to facing someone one on one in a battle, you will pretty much never use drain life because you need to worry about killing the enemy as quickly as possible, and if you need to heal you need something instant. plus most likely if you start draining life they will stun you, or do something to stop that cast because they know they are dying and you are healing from it. the few times i have personally tried it did not work out too well for me. isn't worth the talent points in my opinion.
So, you don't use Corruption in PvP as Affliction? That seems rather odd to me since Corruption does such good damage for a DoT and applies Siphon Life at the same time. I never really consider Drain Life in PvP. My typical plan is to throw down Corruption on as many targets as I can for both the damage and healing aspect, then begin CCing the Healers while my team takes out the Rest.

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to give a little health boost i will sometimes use a scroll of stamina VIII. it gives me an extra couple thousand HP. you may blast through them quick so use them carefully like when you are getting ready to get into an important battle, not one that you will die in within 3 seconds... and i use it alot when we don't have that many enemies. that way i know i have a less likely chance to die, and the Stamina boost gives me an extra boost. but i am a scribe and i spend most of my ink and supplies on these. totally worth it in my opinion. plus soul link on your demon helps. i figured up it gives an extra 4000 HP roughly. so survivability is good!
Yeah, I use my scrolls as well. Handy being an Inscriptor. I have the glyph for Soul Link, so I get an extra 5% bonus to the 20% it already gives. Which brings me to my demon...

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oh and what demon are you using? i am assuming the Giant Blueberry right?

if you are, i would like to add that they are not that useful for PVP except to uncover rogues. which is an incredible addition to the battle, and if that is what you want then by all means do it! but if you are looking for Damage or helping you out as much as possible, as affliction i would use the felhunter (my favorite) or the Succubus


the felhunter can take debuffs off you, and take buffs off your enemies, they can spell lock too which is AWESOME to send after Healers. it bothers the crap out of them and really does the job; and of course the Succy can seduce some of em' which can never hurt... so it's up to your play style and what you want!
I haven't decided what type of pet I want to use. Originally my thoughts are with the Void as his high HP pool will enable my Soul Link to not kill him in a few hits unlike some of the other pets. Though I perfer the utility of the Felhound and Succubus. The VW shield lasts all of 1 second usually, then I take a pounding, while Seduce tends to keep them CC'd as long as I am stunned, but I think I read that it shares diminishing returns with Fear. The Felhound is good, but I tend to have the most trouble against Melee than Casters. I'm a Blood Elf, so I have a natural silence already.
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Old July 16, 2009, 04:29 PM   #8 (permalink)

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So, you don't use Corruption in PvP as Affliction? That seems rather odd to me since Corruption does such good damage for a DoT and applies Siphon Life at the same time. I never really consider Drain Life in PvP. My typical plan is to throw down Corruption on as many targets as I can for both the damage and healing aspect, then begin CCing the Healers while my team takes out the Rest.


oh ok, i see what you're getting at. the Soul Siphon talent affects the siphon life as well right? like i said i don't know alot about affliction... I do use corruption here and there but i am destro specced. however in affliction it is one of the better curses, so yea go for it! might have been missunderstood there. lol... i was assuming it only affected drain life


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I haven't decided what type of pet I want to use. Originally my thoughts are with the Void as his high HP pool will enable my Soul Link to not kill him in a few hits unlike some of the other pets. Though I perfer the utility of the Felhound and Succubus. The VW shield lasts all of 1 second usually, then I take a pounding, while Seduce tends to keep them CC'd as long as I am stunned, but I think I read that it shares diminishing returns with Fear. The Felhound is good, but I tend to have the most trouble against Melee than Casters. I'm a Blood Elf, so I have a natural silence already.


if you're wanting the demon for soul link it won't kill them that quick. the Fel Synergy talent will take care of any healing to the demon. as for the demon to choose, that's personal preference. i used all of them through at least 5-10 BG's to get used to them and see what they can do and i still have to stick with the Felhunter. you can send the Felhunter after the healer or a caster, while you fear and CC the Melee (if that is the case of course) but if you are one on one with a melee, the felhunter won't help alot except just shadowbiting him and getting in his way. which is annoying enough as it is. then of course if you fear him then the hunter is still biting and you can curse him up while you fear him again. plus if you get the curse of exhaustion then you can start running and throwing curses while he is stuck walking slow and not able to hit you. ah hah hah




oh and wanted to add. if you want to check it out. here is the recommended affliction spec for PVP according to Arena Junkies.com: Warlock Affliction Spec This site provides alot of good info. especially with Macros and stuff. but they say this is the best Affliction spec for Arena. but BG's are ALOT different. tis up to you though
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oh ok, i see what you're getting at. the Soul Siphon talent affects the siphon life as well right? like i said i don't know alot about affliction... I do use corruption here and there but i am destro specced. however in affliction it is one of the better curses, so yea go for it! might have been missunderstood there. lol... i was assuming it only affected drain life
Well, Siphon life was changed a few patches back. When you have the talent, all you have to do is cast Corruption and it will automatically apply Siphon Life. There is no second spell to cast, its all at once now. Siphon Life doesn't affect Drain Life at all.


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if you're wanting the demon for soul link it won't kill them that quick. the Fel Synergy talent will take care of any healing to the demon. as for the demon to choose, that's personal preference. i used all of them through at least 5-10 BG's to get used to them and see what they can do and i still have to stick with the Felhunter. you can send the Felhunter after the healer or a caster, while you fear and CC the Melee (if that is the case of course) but if you are one on one with a melee, the felhunter won't help alot except just shadowbiting him and getting in his way. which is annoying enough as it is. then of course if you fear him then the hunter is still biting and you can curse him up while you fear him again. plus if you get the curse of exhaustion then you can start running and throwing curses while he is stuck walking slow and not able to hit you. ah hah hah

oh and wanted to add. if you want to check it out. here is the recommended affliction spec for PVP according to Arena Junkies.com: Warlock Affliction Spec This site provides alot of good info. especially with Macros and stuff. but they say this is the best Affliction spec for PVP

I'll definately look into the link. I've considered Fel Synergy and still might toss a point into it. I use it in my Demonology spec for PvE and it works great, I just wasn't sure how useful it would be in PvP.
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Old July 16, 2009, 04:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
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3.1 Re: Affliction PvP Build

Personally I like Facemurder's Affliction spec more, but then again I run with the Felhunter when I spec Affliction for PVP...if you prefer the playstyle of the VW/Sac, then by all means spec around it (like you have).

Next, Ikabod, you said that using siphons/drains is not a good idea in PVP, but I disagree, in arena you will have teams constantly LoS'ing you, and it's a very good strategy to get as many DoT's up as you can (plus Haunt of course!) and when the other team starts to LoS cast Drain Soul (or Drain Life if you need the health back) as it will not be affected by LoS (so long as you get it cast before they are already out of LoS.)

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Well, Siphon life was changed a few patches back. When you have the talent, all you have to do is cast Corruption and it will automatically apply Siphon Life. There is no second spell to cast, its all at once now. Siphon Life doesn't affect Drain Life at all.





I'll definately look into the link. I've considered Fel Synergy and still might toss a point into it. I use it in my Demonology spec for PvE and it works great, I just wasn't sure how useful it would be in PvP.
As I mentioned before, if you prefer to use the VW in PVP then spec around it...if you are using the VW you do NOT need to put any points into Fel Synergy, as the VW is hard enough to take down as it is, and their are better places those points could go. That being said, if you are using ANY OTHER MINION, Fel Synergy is a great talent! =P
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