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September 01, 2009, 02:16 PM
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DeathKoil 80 Gnome Warlock Echo Isles US PvE Guild: EndGame Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Affliction vs Destruction Discussion
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My rotation: CoE Immolate Corruption Conflag Chaos Bolt Incinerate filler I only use corruption at the start of the rotation then it is never in the rotation again. I do this because it takes the server about .5 to .7 seconds to acknowledge that immolate is on the target allowing me to conflag. So take advantage of that with a corruption so that the time isn't completely wasted. Other than that its just a typical destro rotation. DK |
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September 11, 2009, 09:55 PM
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Edhrin 80 Human Warlock Elune Euro PvE Guild: No Deal Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Affliction vs Destruction Discussion
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However, the Pyroclasm tip and the Empowered Imp tip are two very precious things. I suppose I should have guessed it myself, but I haven't and it is pretty much the kind of stuff I was hoping for when asking if there was something in destro I did not see. If there is something else like that in the air I would love to hear about it, this is not too subtle for me to pay attention, but certainly too subtle to grasp it on my own :/ (or am I just being lazy?) @ DeathKoil : are you doing your tests on a Boss level dummy or on a 80 level dummy? In the first case, do you cap yourself hit or do you just accept you'll be missing 4% more than in a raid situation? |
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September 18, 2009, 09:21 AM
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Re: Affliction vs Destruction Discussion
I'm about even with a similarly geared Destro lock in TotC on the twins, but I've been absolutely destroying him on the other three fights (hard to count champs when it's so unique and no one's dps is ever consistent or high), by up to 1000 dps at times. If the top spots world wide are taken by destro locks on all of the TotC fights I'd reckon that at this point it's just because that's what everyone is playing and not because a bunch of people have switched to affliction, tried it out and gone back to destro because it was just pwning. Affliction is hard for Blizzard to scale on single targets precisely because multi-dotting is so friggin' powerful. Believe it! A challenge to you destro locks: go do your target dummy thing. Switch to affliction and also dot up the other two target dummies. Keep Curse of Agony/Corr/UA on all of them while sb-spamming. I do about 4500 dps single target dummy as affliction, 4700 as destro, and almost 5500 dps with multi-dots. Damage per cast time doesn't enter these discussions as often as they should, IMO. Destro has better burst damage. Destro has slightly better single target damage. People who say they just can't get enough dps out of Aff to make it "worthwhile" and the spec is "ruined" are full of it, IMHO. If you're not downing bosses because your warlocks aren't doing an extra 5% damage you've got bigger problems with your raid group. If you're beating your own Destro dps by 25-50%... well I hate to break it to you but you're not so skilled an Affliction player as you believe you are... Tales of Destro locks out-dps'ing Affliction locks by 1000 dps with equal gear are bullocks, either their gear is really not that equal or the skill level of the people playing the two specs are unequal. Even individuals play the two specs at a different level, especially if they play one only 10% of the time. Theory-crafting does not show a 25-30% dps increase for destruction, that's just crazy talk. Both specs are good for raiding, it's Demo locks that should be complaining a bit. If you have one in your raid it's probably just for the buffs. Our other main lock actually prefers it on the Faction Champs, he uses the FG to peel mobs and pops meta if he's getting owned. If cloth starts dying he's usually the last to go... Last edited by Cursalock; September 18, 2009 at 09:31 AM.. |
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September 18, 2009, 10:27 AM
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Re: Affliction vs Destruction Discussion
You'll never get me to believe that THESE top Warlocks from all over the world play destruction because they are too short sighted to try affliction. |
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September 18, 2009, 04:47 PM
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Re: Affliction vs Destruction Discussion
Just thought I would add that the gap between affliction and destruction just gets worst closer to end game gear. Affliction is 900 dps behind destruction with tier 9 level gear. So people its getting worse and not better. Affliction needs help and that's becoming plainer to see. If we all stop ignoring it and saying its ok maybe it will actually get fixed. |
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September 18, 2009, 04:55 PM
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Vulcris 80 Human Warlock Fenris US PvE Guild: End Game Theory Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: Affliction vs Destruction Discussion
Affliction doesn't need "fixing" because it's not broken. It's just not the best (highest) dpsing raid spec, that's all. What do you expect, that all three specs are going to do *exactly* the same dps? That's a practical impossibility for Blizzard to balance. The best you can expect is that a patch one day changes everything so a different spec is top banana for a while. Get real. Note: it's possible that the new formulation of talent trees for Cataclysm may make this easier to balance in the future, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Just get used to changing specs every so often. |
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September 18, 2009, 10:30 PM
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Re: Affliction vs Destruction Discussion
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Is close to 1k diff not enough for you? Come on. Be real. Yes they will never be equal. But that is too large of a gap. |
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September 18, 2009, 11:00 PM
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Maurice 80 Gnome Warlock Burning Legion US PvP Guild: Infamous Mob Profile: Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Affliction vs Destruction Discussion
So I'll be honest I quit reading after page 6 of posts. I've raided ToC10 and do so weekly. I'm dual spec'd affliction/destro. Destro is my primary and I use it on every boss fight except faction champions. I'm a warlock, I'm on CC duty so Destro just isn't the spec I need. I have a PvE affliction build because the encounter is PvP based with diminishing returns so after about 3 applications of a fear or such spell it stops working. Affliction allows me to DoT up multiple targets as well as use Haunt on the primary. This keeps my HP up a bit more for the healers and allows me to dps as a CCer. ToC10 Faction Champs warlocks are almost always on CC duty, your personal dps will be lacking but your raid utility is vital. I use the felhunter for his extra silences and buff/debuff removal. I just unleash him with a pat on the head and he does his things. CC your target while DoTing up the current primary. I set focus on my CC target and re CC as needed. Also I switch to Demon Armor from Fel Armor for this fight. Other than ToC10 my destruction build out dpses the affliction one. I'm newer to the game, I'll admit it but affliction is simple for me. Destruction.. destruction is childs play compared to affliction. Also you'll note that while crit does a bit more for destruction the same gear can be used for either spec as haste has far more value for destruction than crit anymore, which matches affliction. |
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September 19, 2009, 06:33 AM
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Re: Affliction vs Destruction Discussion
Seeing as how all specs can only dps, and affliction really doesn't bring a great buff making it worth bringing for a 1k dps loss. I agree it probably needs to be fixed. It doesn't make sense that the hardest spec to play, is still not the top spec. IMO affliction should be beating out destro on non-burst fights. However, it's very unlikely they care enough to do anything about warlocks, as they're the only class not getting worked on in 3.2.2. |
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