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August 21, 2009, 04:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
flyingade Character Info flyingade 80 Human Warlock dragonblight Euro PvE Guild: sinister Talent Spec: 3/15/53	Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague? Hi guys, as we all know COE is not worth putting up if your running with a balance druid putting up earth and moon or a DK putting up ebon plague. however. my RL has asked me to put up coe despite having a DK putting up ebon plague. the reasoning behind this is the reduction of resistances that coe gives that the DK doesnt. what do you think guys? should i push to put up COD or is the resistance reduction from COE still worth having from a raid damage perspective? Ade

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August 21, 2009, 04:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
Gelbreazu Character Info Gelbreazu 80 Undead Warlock suramar US PvE Guild: seventh column Talent Spec: 0/14/57	re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague? coe dosnt reduce the 5% built in resists a raid boss has, so coe and ebon plague dont stack and nothin will overcome the base resists on boses

August 21, 2009, 01:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Debuff Character Info Debuff 80 Orc Warlock Sargeras US PvP Guild: Fenrir Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58	re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague? Yep, bosses don't have spell resistances that CoE can affect. Using CoE when you have a balance druid or unholy DK attacking the target is a complete waste.

August 21, 2009, 02:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cormanthor Status: Dot, 'Lock and Drop it! Character Info Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various	re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague? I remember seeing somewhere that CoE was worth putting up on Sapphiron due to the high frost resistance, but I imagine the value of its worth would be proportional to the number of Frost Mages and Frost DKs in the group. Other than that, same as above. __________________ Some days it just not worth chewing through the restraints

August 22, 2009, 05:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
flyingade Character Info flyingade 80 Human Warlock dragonblight Euro PvE Guild: sinister Talent Spec: 3/15/53	re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague? thanks guys, brilliant info as per normal. Ade

August 24, 2009, 03:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
Schettzo Character Info Schettzofren 80 Undead Warlock Deathwing Euro PvP Guild: Triplicity Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 55/0/16	re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague? Maybe a totally noob question.. Are there anyone else who experience higher DPS on the dummies with CoE compared to CoD? Is this something that is specific to the dummies? I average about 4-500 dps more. The fights are ofc several minutes long.

August 24, 2009, 04:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
dethkrik Character Info Dethkrik 80 Blood Elf Warlock Turalyon US PvE Guild: War Machine	re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague? CoE increases magic damage by 13%. CoD doesn't do more than 13% of your total damage, so you will see a boost with CoE. Just as a really rough example, lets say 1% = 1 damage: With CoD: Incinerate = 45 Conflagrate = 20 Immolate = 10 Chaos Bolt = 10 Imp = 10 CoD = 5 Total = 100 So, with CoE: Incinerate = 45 + 13% = 50.8 Conflagrate = 20 + 13% = 22.6 Immolate = 10 + 13% = 11.3 Chaos Bolt = 10 + 13% = 11.3 Imp = 10 + 13% = 11.3 Total = 107.3 So despite losing the 5% of your dps from CoD, CoE ends up with much higher results. Of course this is very rough math but the general idea holds. Plus, if you are running with other casters, their damage will be increased by 13% also, so everyone wins. As others have stated, the only reason not to cast CoE is if there is a Moonkin or Unholy DK in your group. Even still have it handy incase the moonkin/DK dies, DCs, or is on another target. Last edited by dethkrik; August 24, 2009 at 04:10 PM..
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August 24, 2009, 06:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Schettzo Character Info Schettzofren 80 Undead Warlock Deathwing Euro PvP Guild: Triplicity Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 55/0/16	re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague? Thanks for the fast and thorough answer, kicking myself for not realizing it on my own atm :p Lots of thx!

August 24, 2009, 06:24 PM

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re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague?

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Originally Posted by dethkrik

CoE increases magic damage by 13%.

CoD doesn't do more than 13% of your total damage, so you will see a boost with CoE.

Just as a really rough example, lets say 1% = 1 damage:

With CoD:
Incinerate = 45
Conflagrate = 20
Immolate = 10
Chaos Bolt = 10
Imp = 10
CoD = 5
Total = 100

So, with CoE:
Incinerate = 45 + 13% = 50.8
Conflagrate = 20 + 13% = 22.6
Immolate = 10 + 13% = 11.3
Chaos Bolt = 10 + 13% = 11.3
Imp = 10 + 13% = 11.3
Total = 107.3

So despite losing the 5% of your dps from CoD, CoE ends up with much higher results. Of course this is very rough math but the general idea holds. Plus, if you are running with other casters, their damage will be increased by 13% also, so everyone wins.

As others have stated, the only reason not to cast CoE is if there is a Moonkin or Unholy DK in your group. Even still have it handy incase the moonkin/DK dies, DCs, or is on another target.

I would really like to see your assumptions backed up by some simcrafting. I agree in regards to the raid, however.