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August 24, 2009, 07:41 PM
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Tremloc 80 Human Warlock Stormrage US PvE Guild: Iliad Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague?
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however by just looking at the post it could be taken into context that coe should always be part of your rotation, even though thats clearly not the case. coe is useful only in certain circumstances and the general rule is use either CoD or Curse of Agony. |
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August 25, 2009, 04:03 AM
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Re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague?
my question is aimed more at the resistance reduction as the unholy dk and balance druid give the casters in the raid the 13% damage buff that COE gives. what they dont give is the resistance reduction that COE does. as others have said the resistance reduction doesnt work on bosses so if ebon plague goes up you put up COD. lets assume a scenario where you have an unholy DK putting up ebon plague on trash, Whilst your waiting for him to establish agro you stick on a curse which as the trash is going to die in less than 1 min you have the choice of COE or Curse of Agony. how much dps (or % damage increase) do you gain from the resistance reduction and who gets that dps gain? finally, I dont fully understand the mechanics behind resistances can somebody point me at a thread or explain it please? Ade |
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August 25, 2009, 04:22 AM
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Re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague?
Well, the CoD vs CoE on dummy depends on the dps you do and your gear. If you have the addon DrDamage it will add tooltips to all your spells in your spellbook with information like 'total damage with this spell until oom, damage per second, damage per cast time, dot ticks, average damage, average crit etc'. Now you do your normal rotation without CoE and without CoD and let's say you average 5000 dps. Let's simplify things and say CoD ticks for 15000, giving you 250 dps. But 13% on top of 5000 dps equals 650 dps. So in that case CoD is not worth it, CoE will give you a higher dps increase. Note that those guessed numbers match pretty much what you were seeing there, a 500 dps increase. @OP: Your raid leader is simply old school. Before 3.0 (I believe, might be 2.4 or whatever) a warlock curse was needed to reduce a bosses build in resistance to 0. There were very few bosses that had more resistance then the warlock curses would reduce. However that system was changed before Wrath of the Lich King and it just doesn't work like that any more. He used to be right, but now it's just outdated. 
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August 25, 2009, 07:26 AM
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Gelbreazu 80 Undead Warlock suramar US PvE Guild: seventh column Talent Spec: 0/14/57 |
Re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague?
the only major roll CoEs resistance lowering powers is for reducing resistances, well of course, but, um, i use CoE in PvP against mages, prticularly arcane, or druids or shadow preists or preists because they will have resistances, anyway, use it depending on situation, no ebon plague, no earth&moon, target lives more than 1min use CoE. if plague and E&M, and lives 1min or more use CoD if plague and E&M, and lives less then 1min use Curse of Agony thats what i do |
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August 25, 2009, 11:37 AM
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Re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague?
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However, CoE really is your best curse IF there is no Earth and Moon or Ebon Plague up on the target. Perhaps your personal dps will suffer, but there is no way the raid will not benifit if you are the only one who can provide the debuff. There are of course extreme circumstances where you are running with all hunter/melee or something, but generally there will be other casters. CoD is only going to increase your DPS by about 5% give or take a few %. The benifit to CoD is your are going to get an extra 16-18k every 60 seconds by using 1 global cooldown. Losing that 16-18k is in no way better than having all of your Incinerates, Immolates, Conflagrates, and Chaos Bolts doing 13% more damage. If a Moonkin/DK has the 13% debuff up, by all mean, throw on your CoD, it will get the +13% damage also. So yes, if there is no Moonkin/Unholy DK, CoE should be the first spell you apply. Edit: I believe the idea of always keeping CoD/Curse of Agony on the target came from the days of proc'ing Molten Core, but since its been moved to the Demo tree, it isn't as important a part of the rotation now. Last edited by dethkrik; August 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM.. |
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August 25, 2009, 12:57 PM
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Xavron 80 Gnome Warlock Moon Guard US RP PvE Guild: Veritas Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/1/17 |
Re: Should we use CoE with Ebon Plague?
For affliction folks, CoE vs Curse of Agony is a wash... so if I'm in a raid without the Unholy DK or Boomkin, I'll always toss CoE because it's then one less spell that I have to manage. |
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