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October 16, 2009, 04:03 PM

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lilsteele

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lilsteele
80 Human Warlock
Terenas Euro PvE

Re: Will affliction be competitive even when buffed

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Originally Posted by fizboz

I phrased myself badly : by variety, I mean more of a mix of Tank & Spank fights and adds, whereas in ToC, a lot of it feels like the latter. My point on affliction is that (at least in ToC) there's a lot of the crappy stuff you mention. Snobolds, scarabs, infernals, mistresses... If ICC is like ToC, then it will be difficult for Afflic even if Afflic makes up ground through buffs, etc. While Ulduar is the explicit benchmark for ICC, thats probably more 'big raid with trash' than it is more Tank & Spank.

Haste to Dots will be an interesting experiment, but I'm not sure if haste on corruption alone will do the trick (realizing that the current glyph might be just an experiment - as GC seemed to indicate).

On a side note about DoT haste: given that we're already the highest TPS outside of tanks, wonder what this will do to our threat?

Snowbolds and infernals certainly go into the "crappy stuff" section, however the mistresses and the big adds of Anub don't go there in my opinion. ToC is not that bad overall, just a little imho.

Concerning the threat, I have to disagree too. In raids I do have hunters and mages bypassing me on omen without beating me on overall dps. Also we have a feral dps druid that does insane amounts of damage sometimes but also is in constant danger of pulling of the tank. Threat is to a large extent a tank issue, and if your tanks are not as good as your dps, all dps will suffer, not just the locks.
But yeah, maybe we should discuss this elsewhere :D

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October 16, 2009, 04:12 PM	#22 (permalink)
Cursalock Character Info Cursalock 80 Undead Warlock Azshara US PvP Guild: Delirium	Re: Will affliction be competitive even when buffed I'd like to point out that if you get a snobold on you as destruction during that fight you're a bit less useful than you would be as affliction. They interrupt all casts that aren't instant, but at least with affliction you can keep throwing full-power corruption and Curse of Agony dots around, often proccing nightfall. As destruction all you can do is keep CoD or a weakened Curse of Agony up if you're not on CoE duty, cast a weakened corruption, and pray for the occasional backlash. edit: the website automatically replaced "C o A" with Curse of Agony in my text but not the other spells. Interesting.

October 16, 2009, 04:17 PM	#23 (permalink)
lilsteele Character Info lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE	Re: Will affliction be competitive even when buffed @Cursalock You can cast a shadow bolt, get it interrupted and then get a full rotation of fire spells cast before you have to worry about being interrupted again.

October 16, 2009, 04:27 PM

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fizboz

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Fizzik
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Dunemaul US PvP
Guild: Ghosts of Damnation
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58

Re: Will affliction be competitive even when buffed

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Originally Posted by lilsteele

I'm going to try the next run on ToC as Afflic just to test. I have a feeling that all other things being equal, I'd do better as Destro, but I'm curious by just how much. My guess is Beasts will be slightly worse, Jaraxus will be much worse, Champions is a crap-shoot anyway (but probably worse), Valkyrs may be equal or maybe even better, Anub will be significantly worse. Will report back if my guildies don't kill me.

October 16, 2009, 09:33 PM

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nykwan

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Seurot
80 Undead Warlock
Arthas US PvP
Guild: Remorseless
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 3/14/54

Re: Will affliction be competitive even when buffed

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Originally Posted by fizboz

I'm going to try the next run on ToC as Afflic just to test. I have a feeling that all other things being equal, I'd do better as Destro, .

I was interested in how Afflic spec is holding up now too. So I ran 25 Onyxia as Afflic last week and it was significantly less dam done than Destro. So this week, I ran Onyxia as Afflic again ,and I ran our 25normal ToC as Affliction just cause I wanted to be sure it wasn't just the Onyxia encounter that was bad for Afflic or somethign. And again, it was pretty bad on Onyxia and pretty bad in 25 ToC. So I went back to Destro for 25 HM ToC.

And part of it is that Afflic just doesnt' do the damage as Destro right now. And also as I posted in another thread, the more the raid gears up, the higher the raid DPS. Which means the 25% execute phase gets shorter and shorter, and since that is where Afflic is supposed to really shine, Afflic basically gets nerfed the more your guild gears up.

October 16, 2009, 09:38 PM	#26 (permalink)
Horlicks Character Info Horlicks 80 Gnome Warlock Sporeggar Euro RP PvP Talent Spec: 0/56/15	Re: Will affliction be competitive even when buffed @wavecycle - cheers for the explanation - I also run my destro with SL & shadowfury for safety. dead lock = 0 dps afterall. Its hard to prove the amount mitigated by soul link is equivilent to the amount healed by siphon life & haunt over the duration of a fight if the damage is constant. I'll admit I've not looked for the information on this one. If the damage is spikey - I agree with you and lilsteele and others (can't see far enough down on preview bit) - ultimately for the same reasons you guys have already explained. @lilsteele I agree for faction champions I'd not want to run many other specs that didn't include SL & shadowfury. But for longer fights where perhaps you're not getting damaged, siphon life topping you up could put you in a good place. I'm interested to see what the change to PTR3.3 ruin may bring (100% additional bonus to pet crits too). Prefer these kind of debates and discussions to "omg nub l2p" when I may have had a different opinion to the majority. Thanks. Helps me to understand more and provide feedback where I can

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