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October 16, 2009, 02:34 PM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
On the gap between Affliction and Destro (simcraft)
Lets have a look at the simcraft website: SampleOutput - simulationcraft - Project Hosting on Google Code The results for T8 best-in-slot gear show Affliction ~200 dps behind the destro specs. Note that no Doomguard is involved in this results. Now looking at T9 best-in-slot gear, we see that the gap has widened significantly, its some 600-700 dps now. This seems to indicate that Affliction scales horribly and will be even worse for Icecrown gear. Now, one thing you should know is that the best-in-slot T9 gear involves two Reign of the Dead/Unliving trinklets, the normal + the heroic one. Looking at the tooltip, we find that Quote:
Lessons: 1. Taking the trinklets out of the equation (and really, who has two of these anyways), the gap is only half as big, 300-350 dps. 2. Considering that 2pc T9 is a total waste for affliction locks, this shows that affliction is not scaling significantly worse than destro, and would still be fine for Icecrown, without further buffs. 3. Preliminary simcrafts for 3.3 warlock mechanics also use the T9 BiS gear sets, including both trinklets and the T9 set boni, and still sees affliction on top, by ~200 dps. Different gear sets could easily have a 400-500 dps advantage for affliction. Actually, I wonder if Reign of the dead even is the BiS for affliction. Probably IotDS + the Vezax hard mode trinklet would be better. EDIT: Ok, I made some minor mistake. The affliction best-in-slot only includes one of the reign-trinklets. So, to get a better handle on the gap, I ran both specs with IotDS and Flare of the heavens. The gap between the specs goes down from over 600 dps to something around 480 dps, so not as much as I said above. I also checked the 2pc T9 bonus. Removing it for both locks (together with the trinklets change) reduces the gap to 300 dps. Last edited by lilsteele; October 16, 2009 at 04:54 PM.. |
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October 16, 2009, 03:57 PM
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Fizzik 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dunemaul US PvP Guild: Ghosts of Damnation Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: On the gap between Affliction and Destro (simcraft)
This is interesting, thanks Lilsteele! Related, though a tangent to your post, I actually swap out trinkets on those rare times that I go Affliction (from Destro) : in place of Abyssal Rune, I'll use Eye of the Broodmother. In neither case is this BiS, of course, but to illustrate your point. |
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October 16, 2009, 04:03 PM
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Re: On the gap between Affliction and Destro (simcraft)
I'm just happy I might be able to go back to my favourite spec without getting whispers in pugs and guilty feelings in my guild raids. 
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October 18, 2009, 06:31 PM
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Re: On the gap between Affliction and Destro (simcraft)
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I like the playstyle but unless it gets the best single target sustained DPS by a wide margin, it won't be worth it and will still be a joke on 5 mans, nothing will live long enough for dots to tick their worth. Sorry. Destro still wins in 5 mans, and most fights. |
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October 18, 2009, 09:51 PM
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Meankeb 80 Human Warlock Khaz Modan US PvE Guild: Virtue Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: On the gap between Affliction and Destro (simcraft)
I am hoping that "quickening" the Corruption through glyph-haste combo will prove to be an effective technique. If we see DoT's ticking down to relative 10-12 seconds across the board, that will translate into more Shadowbolts. I suppose that if they go bonkers and get our haste in the 1000 range, this could effectively be the Affliction lock's answer to those 500K trash mobs that never see a full rotation before they die. |
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October 19, 2009, 02:03 AM
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Camnorick 80 Undead Warlock Quel'dorei US PvE Guild: Consumption of Death Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: On the gap between Affliction and Destro (simcraft)
My thought with affliction is that now in icecrown, 10k dps is going to be the norm and the only way i can figure bring affliction up, which has a horrendous start up time, is to buff affliction way beyond any other class spec. If you do that, that Aff locks would own all arena's with the dots ticking like shadowbolts every sec. So you can't have that. I guess you can buff shadow bolts alot to cover, but i have a feeling youre going to get close to where just spamming shadow bolts is better dps than keeping dots up. All in all, I think the numbers are getting so huge that it's hard to scale up affliction properly. DoT's ticking faster IMHO is not going to help, since Im blowing GCD to keep them up while I lose the 30% of the damage shadowbolt is doing. It works for Drain soul, since you have to keep dot's up and shadowbolts gets dropped anyways. and Im really good at aff. I mean really good. |
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October 19, 2009, 04:33 AM
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Liche 80 Undead Warlock Sporeggar Euro RP PvP Guild: Blackout Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: On the gap between Affliction and Destro (simcraft)
Just a note, sometimes its best to compare overall damage done, rather than dps when considering Aff vs Destro. |
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October 19, 2009, 07:55 AM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: On the gap between Affliction and Destro (simcraft)
I really don't understand the problems people have with affliction. The gap in Naxx (3.08) was around 500 dps and it was enough to top meters in almost all encounters. The single fight where it was incredibly bad was the guy before 4 horsemen. Currently I see a single fight where I wouldn't run affliction and that's heroic Jaraxus. Maybe XT-hard mode, if someone struggles with kiling the heart. And trash... well, I think the times where trash was important have long passed. And who really cares about dps in five mans? |
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October 19, 2009, 01:59 PM
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Re: On the gap between Affliction and Destro (simcraft)
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Affliction is my favourite spec, but the absence of burst in a game that often requires it is sometimes frustrating. Making the first dot tick occur upon application, instead of after a further 2 or 3 secs would help. |
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October 19, 2009, 02:17 PM
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Fizzik 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dunemaul US PvP Guild: Ghosts of Damnation Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: On the gap between Affliction and Destro (simcraft)
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Some examples: XT Bots, Auriaya Defenders and Sentries, any of Freya's adds, Mimiron Bots (although ranged will probably never deal with any but the bomb), Thorim up until he's attackable, Snowbolds on Beasts, Infernals on Jaraxxus, Scarabs on Anub. This isn't to say that Affliction can't do damage here, but that it's difficult to do anything on a par with other classes in a lot of fights. Just found this post on EJ which illustrates this: http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t48311-s...9/#post1410663 The conclusion being that Destro will get full benefits from it's 'normal' rotation for any fight lasting more than 15 seconds, while Affliction will only get it after 30 (in fact, up to 11 seconds, SB spam is a better option). Last edited by fizboz; October 19, 2009 at 02:54 PM.. |
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