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October 21, 2009, 10:17 AM
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A few quick questions on affliction dps
I'll try to keep this short. 1) Is it worth it to recast corruption when we get to drain execution for the added 12% damage? 2) Given that haunt refreshes corruption I have been reapplying it when trinkets proc, is this correct? Looking back at recount I've noticed that corruption was hitting (crits) for 2k-5k and normal 1k-3k so I'm assuming the overlap is due to my refreshing it at a higher spell power. 3) Seed of corruption: what is the ideal number of mobs on which to use this (I assume it's 4+)? Given a full affliction build, is it better to use this or RoF on large packs of mobs? I looked back at my data and noticed that the explode is hitting harder than RoF for me but SoC has a slightly longer cast time (vs the time between damage within RoF) and I thought a lower spell power coefficient. I do love spamming SoC on mobs (and imagine it doing really well in large packs when the AoE nerf hits) and want to make sure it's still okay to use it if you have an amazing tank to hold aggro. Okay, not too short but I tried... I did search here for info but everything I found was old and just wanted to make sure (more going forward than current). Thank you in advance. |
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October 21, 2009, 10:46 AM
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Maeolock 80 Blood Elf Warlock Kilrogg US PvE Guild: Psycho Beast Killers Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: A few quick questions on affliction dps
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October 21, 2009, 11:00 AM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: A few quick questions on affliction dps
I'll try to anwer as much as I can: 3) Since Seed doesn't hit the mob you cast the spell on, 4+ is a good number. RoF should be better for 3 mobs since you hit all of them. Furthermore you can switch to RoF when the AoE pack gets low on health, because your Seed might not go off if the mob dies before you finish casting... 1+2) I'm not sure how Corruption + Haunt refresh works. What I can not imagine however is that Corruption cast under a trinklet proc will continue to tick for that increased damage forever. I looked at the implementation in simcraft. There haunt triggers a "dot_refresh" function. This function also calls a function that gets the current player buffs (e.g. trinklets etc) before refreshing the dot duration. Provided this properly models ingame mechanics, this means that a) casting haunt while a trinklet proc is up will refresh corruption and make it tick with the increased spellpower b) After the trinklet wears off the next haunt will make corruption tick with the normal spellpower again c) I think you don't have to recast corruption below 35%, haunt will automatically take care of this There might be some room for gaining dps by recasting corruption when haunt is still on a long cooldown while the trinklet procs, but I doubt it will make a huge difference. |
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October 21, 2009, 11:16 AM
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Re: A few quick questions on affliction dps
I was under the impression that it just refreshed and didn't reapply because I know I've accidentally gone to reapply my Curse of Agony, which corruption is right next to, and while hitting corruption I would get the "A more powerful spell is already active" warning. I'll have to double check this tonight though... Maybe I'm mistaking their meaning of refreshing? I'll take your word on the matter because that's how I thought it worked until I got the warning while reworking out my affliction kinks on the dummy. |
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October 21, 2009, 11:27 AM
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Maeolock 80 Blood Elf Warlock Kilrogg US PvE Guild: Psycho Beast Killers Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: A few quick questions on affliction dps
You should only have to cast Corruption once. Then, everytime you cast Haunt, it refreshes the timer on the Corruption. Haunt also puts a debuff on the target increasing all of your damage. This is why you should cast Haunt every time it comes off CD. You can't cast Corruption again while it is still up if the Haunt debuff is active because that debuff makes it a stronger Corruption. |
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October 21, 2009, 11:58 AM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: A few quick questions on affliction dps
It should be possible to recast corruption while both corruption and the haunt debuff are on the target, provided that nothing else (e.g. your spellpower) changed. Or do I miss something here? consider a few steps: 1.corruption up 2. trinklet procs 3. haunt refreshes corruption 4. trinklet wears off 5. new haunt refreshes corruption 6. normal rotation It should be possible to recast corruption between all time steps, except between 4 and 5 because there the trinklet buffed corruption is on the target while your manually cast corruption would apply a non-buffed corruption on the target. Does this make sense? Besides that, I guess we all agree that haunt has 100% uptime on the target and that some corruption is always ticking? |
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October 21, 2009, 12:57 PM
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Re: A few quick questions on affliction dps
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Regarless, lilsteel is correct on the haunt buff, that will not/should not prevent you from reapplying corruption again. Again though I'll file this into the "things I have to test tonight" folder. |
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October 21, 2009, 02:44 PM
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Maeolock 80 Blood Elf Warlock Kilrogg US PvE Guild: Psycho Beast Killers Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: A few quick questions on affliction dps
There is no need to recast curruption. When Haunt refreshes, the corruption's coefficient changes according to the current debuffs and buffs at that time the Haunt lands. |
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October 21, 2009, 09:04 PM
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Re: A few quick questions on affliction dps
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October 22, 2009, 10:40 PM
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Re: A few quick questions on affliction dps
taken from elitesjerks "When a dot is applied, it will check all of your buffs and stats and all of the bosses' buffs and debuffs. They will not be checked again while your dot ticks, so applying dots before getting important selfbuffs or boss debuffs is a slight dps loss. When Haunt refreshes your Corruption, the same thing happens, but there is one exception: Your own debuffs will not be checked again. Normally, debuffs won't improve your dps, so this is nothing to worry about, but there are special cases: For example, the damage increase in the Thaddius fight in Naxxramas is a debuff. This will only be taken into account when you cast a spell, not when a dot ticks. So waiting for this debuff before applying new dots makes a huge difference in dps. However, this is a very special mechanic (a personal debuff giving a huge damage buff), but knowing it might be useful." about reapply corruption under 35% to get that extra 12% bonus im still in doubt, i heard we actually should do that and i am doing that, the problems is that alot of the times it just wont let me refresh that corruption saying there is a powerfull spell on the target. so i would like to know too if haunt refresh corruption with the Deaths imbrase effect or not!? Last edited by Rodor; October 23, 2009 at 12:27 AM.. |
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